Firms aren't trying to be deceptive, argue some recruiting experts – it's that candidates often don't understand what a salary range represents on a listing.
Firms aren't trying to be deceptive, they just want to give an impression which is contrary to reality.
They're not trying to be deceptive. It's just what they do by default without trying.
Salary is between 50k and 30 million. So 55k is apparently not deceptive. Drives me nuts.
job applicants have found the listed figures shrink once they reach the interview stage
Yup! This happened to me today in fact. The job listing lured me in promising $71 an hour plus full dental medical and vision coverage plus a $2,000 sign on bonus.
Last week I'm invited to an interview where he says my pay would be $25 an hour plus commissions. hmmm ok fine. whatever.
Today at the second stage of the interview process she told me it would be minimum wage. And she mentioned nothing about medical or signing bonus.
SCAM!
I'm more valuable than this. They can suck it.
I'd have walked out or left the video call in the middle of their sentence. Fuck that noise.
At least shout at them to say they can contact you again when their promised wage is exactly the same as the one stated on the listing, and not a cent less.
I'd expect considerably more to expect to deal with that kind of a workplace!
Sure, you probably won't get it - but it's not a place you want to be anyway.
Video call? Both interviews were in person.
I feel like slapping her in face would be appropriate and should be perfectly legal in this instance.
HOW CAN HE SLAP!?? Oh ok that’s justified
My first big corporate job had internal salary ranges posted for when you're looking at a new job within the same company, and I had to reckon with this as a new employee. I'd see basically my job posted with my salary on the far low end of the possible range and when I discussed it with folks I learned that the posted median salary is the median for everybody in that job, including people with 10 years of experience etc. So even if I'm impressing as a kid fresh out of college, the median isn't the right metric to judge myself against.
When you change positions within a company, that is your only opportunity to get ahead. Negotiate hard as you can for salary/benefits.
Once you sign, you take what you can get in terms of raises and you have zero leverage.
I live in a state with transparent salary laws and this argument that posting the salary range isn’t deceptive is laughable. If that were true, why wouldn’t they be transparent and make it clear it’s a salary range and not a hiring range? The fact is, most people searching for a job are most interested in what they would be earning when they’re hired, not a theoretical wage 5, 10, or 15 years in the future.
Got a job offer that would have required me to move cross country. After a couple months of negotiations and a trip to meet the new team and brain dump on them, the offer came in 15% below the low end of the already wide salary range.
This was a dream job, but the difference between what I expected to get based on my experience and what they offered was like 40%.
Wasn't in good place financially, and turning down it down was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do.
Luckily I found something local that is an even better fit at my expected salary a few months later, right as covid hit. I often think about how different my life would be if I'd just taken the job as almost everyone I knew said I should.
I did take the job across country for a much lower salary.
It has gone as well as you've feared.
Yeah, I'm in a very niche industry, so moving some place with literally one job in a 100 mile radius had me very nervous.
Cost of living is higher in a large city, but at least I have options.
Aerospace manufacturing methods planner... Yeah not much for golden opportunities.
If you think you're being low balled then refuse the offer and more power to you.
The problem is that they're wasting the unemployed and jobseekers time and money, and depriving them of employment opportunities they actually want — sometimes dozens of hours, and hundreds of dollars per person.
Let's not act like false advertising of job offers is anything but a crime that exploits the most economically vulnerable people... mkay
Actually, I don't know if you've done hiring before but to get to an interview the company has already spent a decent chunk of change on vetting and review. Refusing an offer at the last minute definitely sucks for the employer.
Yeah, definitely.
Had a low-balled offer once, and since I didn't have an other offer, I signed. It was still better then the wage I had at the time.
But I kept searching, and finally found a company that did pay me what I wanted.
So when it was about time for me to go work at the new job, I said I quit. They were waiting on me for 10 weeks. Felt really good.
Told them the reason was the wage, if they didn't try to pay me less then what I was asking, I wouldn't have been searching in the first place.
They only have themselves to blame.
That's how we all got raises at my last job. Nobody cared to do QC and they needed QC. Me and like 3 of my friends there all said no so they offered raises for the position! Literally saying no was how we bumped our pay!
I'm in a much better place now.
Recently, I had to negotiate for a new salary. They gave me the upper range, which was a 30k difference. They asked if id go lower and stayed firm. A day later, i got the new offer
They led with an offer and asked if you would be willing to settle for less? I dont really understand what the strategy was there.
"would you be willing to do the same work for less pay given the choice?"
That's gonna be a hard no from me bud
Honestly if I'm an employer, I'd specifically choose the people who were adamant about their price because when they're working for me they think they're getting what they deserve and the whole relationship improves because of it!
Had a Civil Service job with a union. Everyone knew exactly what everyone else was making and nobody cared.
I'm sure the employers who couldn't scam their employees cared.
They are the ones that made sharing your wage a taboo.
It's such a weird taboo you guys got. In Norway tax returns are public. Nothing is stopping you from seeing how much your colleagues, neighbours or whatever made the previous year.
That may be the biggest piece of culture shock I can imagine. Not even the salary, the idea that any citizen could locate any politician or actor's address is mind boggling.
For instance, if the range published in the job description is $70,000 to $100,000 (£56,4000 to £80,550), a new hire may start the job at $85,000 (£68,500), but make up to $100,000 as they earn raises and bonuses throughout their tenure in the role. In short, the company never intended to hire a new worker at $100,000 – that's simply where it caps pay for that position.
In other words, they are lying. No reasonable person would expect a job post to show anything other than the hiring range for the job. Otherwise, there is no point to having it. It says nothing. It also says no matter how much money you earn the business, your income is capped. F*** THAT!
Treating applicants like they're marks drives away the quality candidates.
In one interview, I got to the stage of talking with an AVP, and he asked my salary expectation (rather than stating the amount he wanted to pay). I gave him mid-point on the range, which given my decades of experience, was very reasonable. He was clearly shocked.
If you won't pay for the expertise, don't waste my time. Also, he demanded the date of my degree, which is against the law, so he (older than me) was ageist, too.
I recently started a new position. I had to be escorted in and out for the first interview. On the way out, the hiring manager complimented me twice that I'd done so well in the interview. The second interview was over Zoom, so there was no shared elevator ride at the end, but I got the job.
It was at the lower end of what was advertised. And even though I've received really nice positive feedback a few time (today, "professionalism and patience" was mentioned, I think I'm getting close to the most my boss had a budget to give. I base this on observations and gut feeling, nothing empirical. Just a vibe I get.
I think the org lied on the job req. I blame HR rather than my boss. I actually quite like my boss.
This company is an international financial institution based in NYC. The mid point of the range was about 10% below where salary surveys said a person at my point in my career should be paid where I live for the job description.
Don't try to find "good" reasons for this crap. The range went from entry level pay for a non-senior developer to way higher than anyone should expect to get. They maliciously complied with the law, like the employers in this article are doing.
I since got a job for a similar base pay plus bonus (thank God) from a much smaller but fast growing company.
My last job I did a good job negotiating up. Then come annual review time, I was already "at the top of the range" so got a rudely low 2% annual raise. My new job I also negotiated up higher but they have since moved me to a higher bracket because of performance and gave me a decent raise. I work my ass off and push to expand my knowledge so that I am more valuable over time and expect to be compensated as such.
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