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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net to c/games@hexbear.net

Hardcore gamer = someone who plays only cinematic grizzed white dude games and/or military fetishizing FPS

Casual gamer = anyone that is not a 15-25 yo male, and/or plays anything outside of the previously mentioned games, especially if those games are colorful.

So basically the gaming community is full of gatekeeping, misogyny, toxic masculinity and general chuddery. They make sure they're the loudest voice heard when anything about games is talked about, and won't be happy until all games a homogenous stream of bland, hyper-realistic but with a grey filter slog of mindless action with no heart or soul. And don't you dare force them to read any dialogue or story.

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[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think the early 2000s PS2 era was the peak of modern gaming. Colourful games, decent 3d graphics. The FPS era hadn't fully began on consoles yet.

The less said about the late 2000s, the better. That's when all the "gatekeeping, misogyny, toxic masculinity and general chuddery" really got kicked into overdrive. Every game got a sepia piss filter as well. And after that we got the blue filters which were somehow even worse.

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[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

G*mers never had a chance.

The 70s saw the development of really old games like Dnd, essentially some STEMlord's pet project. Many of these ancient games were tied to Dnd, where the reactionary Gary Gygax's influence in Dnd was completely dominant.

The 80s continued that tradition with games like Rogue and Nethack. This was also when Nintendo exclusively marketed the NES as a "boy toy." Both of what could be retroactively labeled as indie and AAA gaming were firmly men only. Arcades tended to be dominated by men as well.

The 90s further perpetuated this trend with the console wars between Nintendo and Sega, with Sega pushing really hard as the cool and definitely being played by dudes with 'tude console. If you looked at Sega ads during that time, they were all hyper-trying-too-hard-masculine.

The 00s, while carrying the misogynist torch, reflected a qualitative shift in its misogyny. The 00s, or more specifically, 2001 was when Halo 1 was released on the Xbox. This game, more than any other, was what pushed gaming from some nerdy shit into the mainstream. With the mainstreamification of gaming came the dudebros. The previously misogynist nerds were transformed into misogynist dudebros, and the dudebros carried their toxic competitiveness into gaming.

The 10s was when esports, or more specifically L*ague of L*gends, became commercially viable. The esportification of games began and along with it, the toxic competitiveness seeped even in games that weren't designed to be competitive. And it pains me to say this, but speedrunning contributed to this as well. Suddenly, you started hearing about the "meta" and "optimal strats" in some indie platformer. And of course, G*merg*te sealed the deal by politicizing gaming, making g*mers consciously reactionary.

I have checked out of gaming so I can't give you a rundown of the 20s, but it's more of the same shit honestly. The seeds were sown during the 70s, with each subsequent decade nurturing the seedling, until it blossomed into some hideous plant with G*merg*te.

[-] Goblinmancer@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I hate esports i hate how Riot took all the actually fun modes in league like OFA and nexus clash and the pve game modes and decides to only make them appear in rotations (or not even appear for pve modes) because apparently Riot only cares about competitive and ranked play.

Also hate how certain characters like Azir is effectively neutered because its too good for the highly coordinated esport teams, whose gameplay barely resembles even the highest ranked play.

Billion dollar game cant even afford to support other game modes.

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

LoL says "here's a game and some pieces tailor-made to play it" while DotA says "here's some toys and a sandbox, it's out of my hands now" and I think about that every day

[-] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

LoL says "here's a game and some pieces tailor-made to play it" while DotA says "here's some toys and a sandbox, it's out of my hands now" and I think about that every day

hell yeah, same

honestly I think dota's way should be the way for fun+challenging games in general

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

The SEGA ads of the 90s were something.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah I think that style of marketing started it.

[-] Graphite22@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Whoever caused all this shit. Wtf dudes?? Especially cross with the people who made MMOs.

I've been hearing The Wife Aggro jokes since I could remember my dad's dial up modem. My dad made those jokes too.

You can't escape The Wife Aggro. It's fucking impossible. If you call it out, you're the bad guy. That dude is helping his The Wife!!! You don't even have one, virgin.

Yea there's a reason why I can barely tolerate playing current WoW with the boys. I won't even touch classic.

The Wife Aggro is STILL THERE. MAKE IT STOP.

[-] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Hey I was a hardcore gamer but i played RTS and fighting games like a gentleman

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fighting games don't count, when your opponent can punch you irl for getting out of line it really cuts down on the bullshit

[-] ennemi@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know if "post-contrarianism" is a term but I wish it was because it describes posts like this one perfectly

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[-] cocainecore@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

games mechanics become watered down due to the profit motive and challenging games are fun, this whole thread feels like just contrarianism to spite a vocal minority turning being a HARDCORE GAMERRRRR into a personality trait shrug-outta-hecks

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Where did I mention difficulty?

[-] cocainecore@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

if you mean people restricting themselves to "manly" games thats also a loud online minority, i mean nintendo still makes the most popular games out there and stuff like undertale has sold how many millions now? so saying the gaming community(tm) is "full of gatekeeping, misogyny, toxic masculinity and general chuddery" is hard to believe

[-] Sasuke@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

so saying the gaming community(tm) is "full of gatekeeping, misogyny, toxic masculinity and general chuddery" is hard to believe

what planet are you from

[-] panopticon@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

turns on voice chat in TF2

There are literally Nazis

Turns it back off

[-] CannotSleep420@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

downbear

No, gamers bad.

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[-] Abraxiel@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I agree with your complaints towards the apparent predominant gaming culture. But I also believe that there have never been more indie games that are contrary to that culture or just ambivalent to that culture than ever before.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah the indie community is great. My complaints are more the popular gaming community that was particulaly strident during the PS2, 360 and gamergate era

I will never forgive the gaming community for shitting on Wind Waker when it first came out for being catroony

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[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

If someone puts "gamer" on their dating profile tho

[-] btbt@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

These people should be locked in a room and forces to play nothing but 50 turn Mario Party rounds for the rest of time

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

And then 50 rounds of Wii Sports

[-] Bloobish@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I think a big point is also the transition of everything being so damned online now (not gaming but communities and discourse) that what initially was gaming in the 90s and early 2000s (casual gamers, kid gamers, and then weird grown ass chud adults) were very much compartmentalized and separate. Nowadays with Youtube you had the fallout of gamergate create a self feeding subculture that propagates among dissatisfied mainly white young males who utilize one of their hobbies (gaming) as escapism from all the shit capital loves to do (alienation) and create an exceedingly angry stigma to project on anyone entering "their" space that does not conform. Add in how chuds screech the loudest and angry engagement clicks and comments lead to algorithm feedback and you have one of the worst video genres ever of usually a scruffy bearded angry lmayo being gobsmacked they have to look at a minority in a video game for even a single fucking second but utilizing safe dogwhistles such as "woke" and "sjw" to "debate about it" (though that second one is falling out of style).

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[-] micnd90@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Hardcore gaymer = fighting game enjoyer

Casual ~~g*mer~~ consoomer = everyone else

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Remain convinced the only good community in games is the fighting game community. But, alas, they engage in the bad shit too from time to time.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I dunno the sexism is pretty bad especially when they complain about the woman fighters boobs being smaller or whatever

The smash community has been pretty horrific over the years even by gamer standards.

Street fighter just got a massive influx of new fgc players so I can’t really tell.

Guilty gear community is very supportive of Bridget

By the sheer virtue of being a mixed bag the fighting game community probably wins least toxic.

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[-] let_me_tank_her@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

since I'm a newbie and just getting into SF6, I've been trying to find good streamers to watch that haven't been "cancelled" or problematic or are ragers when they lose. mainly stick with Justin Wong, Maximilian, and Japanese streamers lol.

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I firmly believe that it's because you can get punched IRL for being out of line

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah arcades/local fight game spots are cool because people gather in person, so there's less of a problem of someone being a shithead because they get booted or shunned.

[-] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't care that much tbh because while the "gaming community" is indeed dogshit (personally I've stopped playing any sort of public multiplayer game since voice audio became the norm anyway), we also seem to be in a golden age of independent awesome video games, including specifically ones with dialogue and story. And the small sub-community of players of those are usually much saner and welcoming.

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