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submitted 11 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

Unfounded claims about offshore wind threatening whales have surfaced as a flashpoint in the fight over the future of renewable energy.

In recent months, conservatives including former President Donald Trump have claimed construction of offshore wind turbines is killing the giant animals.

Scientists say there is no credible evidence linking offshore wind farms to whale deaths. But that hasn’t stopped conservative groups and ad hoc “not in my back yard”-style anti-development groups from making the connection.

The Associated Press sorts fact from fiction when it comes to whales and wind power as the rare North Atlantic right whale’s migration season gets underway.

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[-] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 69 points 11 months ago

If a conservative is against it:

  • their claims are likely untrue
  • the thing they’re against will cost them money
  • the thing probably helps you or others like you
  • the thing isn’t something they’re invested in, otherwise they’d be for it
  • taken out of the context of politics, a normal, well adjusted person would probably be in favor of the thing
[-] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 28 points 11 months ago

And they don’t actually care about the criticism they levee at it. Who honestly believes they gave a fuck about the whales?

[-] reversebananimals@lemmy.world 53 points 11 months ago

And how many animals have oil spills killed?

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Also, military sonar pings.

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Asteroids still #1.

Even ahead of domesticated cats.

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[-] BaldProphet@kbin.social 36 points 11 months ago

There are valid concerns about building these in sensitive coastal ecosystems (such as kelp forests), but this is the first time I've heard someone suggest that whales could be endangered.

[-] bedrooms@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago

I'm concerned, too, but I guess relying on fossil fuels will devastate the ecosystems even further eventually.

[-] BaldProphet@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago

There are probably plenty of areas to use that aren't as sensitive.

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[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

Sure they kill whales. All whales that jump several hundred feet up in the air right into the blades.

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

Kill whales? What the fuck???

[-] fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago
[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Can whales jump 100 feet out of the water?

[-] fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago

Well how else would they get chopped up by a wind turbine?

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Since when did conservatives care about whales?

[-] Ixoid@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

When they could weaponise it against people trying to make the world better.

[-] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

Contrary to politicians claims

Eh? What politician would clai...

Oh, right, as you were, it's them again 😂

[-] Philo@sh.itjust.works 17 points 11 months ago

But it use up the wind 🤪

[-] FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Like Republicans are anti-whaling anyways... 🙄

The selective outrage over animal rights is such manufactured bullshit. But if I am being honest, democrats, progressives and leftists are all equally culpable in these do nothing virtue signal outrages. If you are wearing leather, eating meat and financing animal factory farming, I don't wanna hear about your crocodile tears when an imaginary whale or a fictional dog is hurt.

[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago
[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 6 points 11 months ago

Only during whalenados

[-] fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago

Last night someone was telling me that the resin they use to make the blades deteriorates over time and covers the area in microplastics. Oh and each turbine needs 40 tonnes of cement which is not carbon neutral.

[-] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago

They main contributors for micro plastics are polyester clothing and car tires. Those people likely use both.

[-] fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

Sure ok. This guy drives Australian road trains. Typically 15 axles, 58 tyres.

[-] Soup@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I just want to jump and say that that’s not a good argument. It’s next to impossible to get away from that kinda stuff, same as how saying that a person using an iPhone to write about capitalism being bad is just silly.

[-] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

The absolute majority of my clothes is 100% cotton. I get jackets and stuff being synthetic, but how often if at all do you even wash them unless you're going hiking a lot of whatever? And yes, it's absolutely possible to get away from a lot of this stuff. Just like it is also complete bullshit to claim that wind turbines are major contributors for microplastics. That's literally flat Earth levels of stupid.

[-] blazera@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

we gonna get you on board the fuck cars movement if microplastics are a big enough concern to not build renewable energy? Cus boy let me tell you about tire wear and microplastics.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

The old “silver bullet” argument, eh? “X is not a perfect one size fits all solution with no downsides, so must be equally as bad as not doing anything”

[-] spacesatan@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I mean thats not really wrong but it reminds me of one of the dipshit oilfield guys I worked with in the wind industry.

"*hyuk hyuk* whats that greasing the gearbox? is that oil? in a so called green energy turbine?"

yeah dude a 2MW tower going through a few dozen gallons of lubricant a year is the same an oil fired plant burning 10,000 barrels in a year for a similar power output(napkin math explained here). You've exposed the big secret man, these things are equivalent because there are oil products in both. Numbers are a scam made up to trick god-fearing texans.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

What?!? Astro turfed NIMBYism lied to me?

I'm shocked.

[-] Ooops@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

Do they only kill flying whales or are the others at risk of accidently jumping into the blades, too?

[-] dlpkl@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I think a great way to offset a windmill's presence in the ocean bed is to integrate it as an artificial reef. I wonder what other ways it could be a benefit.

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Fund whale concussion research, CTE effects on whales, etc.

[-] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

NOW I CAN SEE THE WHALES

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