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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by WithoutFurtherBelay@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

I do not mean this as a rhetorical question: I mean it literally. Tell us what’s stopping you! I don’t want to invalidate you, but the opposite. I’m sure people here would love to help if it’s possible. Post away!

Personally, I think Covid and the general amount of work everyone does are the two biggest obstacles to community building. Not just for me, but everybody I know. It’s nearly impossible to build a community when nobody has the energy to even play a video game together, and actually meeting up in person can literally kill you. There are definitely solutions, but we need to realize them as problems first to find them. If you have suggestions, please share them! Same goes for the issues everyone else shares (if they’re ok with help, of course).

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[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 40 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Being tired and sad all the time and having no time or energy.

Most millennials and younger had/have severe burnout before they even finish their teens

I also don't really have social media, and that's how everyone communicates these days. How am I going to organize people? To do what, exactly? Immediately get infiltrated by the fash or arrested for a lukewarm protest?

I'm not a leader, I need an already good group to follow, I can't do anything right myself.

It frustrates me because I feel like that's the plan of our oligarchs, tire us out, make us sad, too numb to do anything but be herded through the system.

Obviously, I will always refuse to give up, I'm looking for a new group right now actually, but man, it's hard.

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

I feel you on the social media front.

At some point I'm going to need an account or two that I log into for 15 minutes maybe a few times a week. But I'd want it to not have my name on it, and for my radical identity to be separate from my official/personal/"professional" (lol) identity. It might be easier if I got a few "scrub your main profile" workshops going, but that takes even more time and effort and willpower.

Have you dived very deep into executive functions, and their classification and disorders?

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago

I have ADHD if that's what you mean about disorders, makes my attention span all over the place and I wear out fast

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

Agitation is low commitment and it is an important job. We don't all have to be a leader to help organize. "From each according to their ability..." Trash talking capitalism and hyping yer boy Marx is something you are proly great at even if finding the right time might be hard.

[-] RedWizard@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 11 months ago

This is why I created a Facebook account after deleting one decades ago. It has zero PII on it, which isnt too hard to do. I use it to agitate on my towns most popular page.

Tools I used:

  • Firefox Relay for the email.
  • Firefox Facebook Container Tab.
  • VPN.
  • SMSPool for verification codes (funded from some old satashis I had kicking around).
  • A photo of a relative who doesn't use Facebook.

The last two you only need if you are accused of not being a "real person".

[-] fruityloop@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

what vpn do you use that doesn't make facebook immediately disable the account?

[-] RedWizard@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 11 months ago

I use Nord but they did disable my account lol. That's why I needed the last two points in the list. I don't know that it's VPN related. But I used SMSPool to get a one-time-use phone number to get their Auth code. The used a photo of a relative for the "selfie" check.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Actually reads the full thing after the first initial comment.

"I think Covid and the general amount of work everyone does are the two biggest obstacles to community building"

Having been organizing for a while now, this definitely did it and still does for a lot of people. I would also argue mental health does as well and burnout too!

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 26 points 11 months ago

I don't want to ruin someone else's day by forcing them to interact with me. 🙂

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 22 points 11 months ago

You're a very good human being.

You have a lot to give and a lot to be given so don't sell yourself short.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Me too yea

(But also, pls don't be so hard on yourself)

[-] the_itsb@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

imagine not feeling blessed by a Dirt_Owl encounter

I could never

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[-] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago

social anxiety and taking 5 more credit hours than i realistically should each school semester

[-] AdmiralDoohickey@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 11 months ago

I feel that life was so tiresome until this point (OCD, depression, undiagnosed autism, the poorly implementated lockdowns, uni etc) that I just want to relax (obviously I will still work) with my gf as long as my material conditions allow it. Im short, I am a tired coward.

Also, social interactions with most people stress me out and I can't do them very correctly so that's an extra hurdle as well.

Besides, I haven't managed to read a lot of theory, so I won't be able to apply my useful attributes (over-analyzing / attention to detail) to help somehow.

[-] SaniFlush@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago

All the people surrounding me are deeply reactionary senior citizens

[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago

My province, PEI, is a former Liberal now PC stronghold in the nation, and usually has zero representation for any other party besides those two. I've been trying to organize but people won't even vote for the NDP or Greens (outside of one riding).

The thing that's stopping me is the people. They just will not fucking bite out here. They're 1000% grillpilled the fuck out and basically all Red Tories and Liberals largely just along Protestant/Catholic lines. The PCs and Liberals are basically indistinguishable here and people are extremely checked out on politics.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago

Nuffin'

That's what I'm doing!

[-] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago
[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago
[-] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago

I'm a coward, although I do get along with my coworkers so maybe that's something.

[-] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

Getting along with your co-workers is half the battle. Now you just have to figure out how to get them to work together on something that isn't work.

[-] manuallybreathing@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago

I was talking to a comrade of mine recently and they mentioned that the 'American dream' of being locked into a mortgage was designed to crush the union movement, so i'd say that probably does a lot to fuck up community organising

[-] version_unsorted@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago

I feel this, all my mental labor is just caught up working or home repairs or "recovering" from other mental stress. I'm just trying to get rid of the mortgage ASAP and hopefully use the financial freedom to then have stability which I can use to support my community.

[-] HorseRabbit@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 11 months ago

Organise to do what? I joined a socialist party but all they do is give out their party newspaper that absolutely no one reads and ask for donations. Seems like a complete waste of time tbh.

I've been thinking about going to work in a soup kitchen a couple days a week. But even then I feel like it would be better for me to just work overtime at my actual job and donate the money to the soup kitchen.

[-] appel@whiskers.bim.boats 7 points 11 months ago

Also seems to be the same where I am, and they are trots.

[-] cleoburymortimer@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Organise to do what?

Try to form connections with the exploited and oppressed people in your locality via whatever means you can. Listen attentively to them and their problems whenever you get the opportunity, understand them and use the theory you know to analyse what you have heard and seen. Take the results of that analysis and try to apply them; even if it's just trying to agitate more effectively, keep thinking about how to adapt your line and practice to the circumstances you find yourself in. Always be on the lookout for other communists/anyone else who seems like they would be down to help organise the working class. If you find anyone like that, talk to them and work with them. Some of the folks in your local party branch may feel the same as you about the tactics being ineffective and would welcome some fresh ideas about how to organise.

Basically, do what a communist does. It takes practice and if you're new to it, it's gonna feel a little stilted at first, but this is how communists organise and lead.

[-] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

I'm taking a break after working hard on a project I won't mention for opsec reasons. It left me a bit burned out and I've been taking time to work on myself and my relationships.

That personal work has been very productive and I'm slowly making my way back into a presence with my local org.

[-] the_itsb@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

I live in a small-ish university town with a max of 2 degrees of separation for any random person. I put my unfortunately distinctive name and face on an attempt to start a DSA chapter here a little over 6 years ago, then burned out because I had undiagnosed autism and ADHD and couldn't get a good grasp on group dynamics.

There's a lot that went wrong, and it contributed to a social life spiral - I tried to go back to hanging out with my old townie friends, people who weren't even DSA-level leftists, and it was hard to like them anymore or have much compassion for them, because I know how they feel about the societal stuff. They don't give much of a fuck about anyone who isn't them.

Then COVID happened, and seeing that even that didn't inspire any extra care in any of them - they were having parties as soon as it wasn't illegal to do so, and I bet they were probably doing them before and just not posting about it. My husband and I both have immunocompromised parents with lung issues, and seeing how little of a fuck our "friends" gave about us or our parents was a disappointing shock. We got them to Skype us once the entire time. We tried to move past it once we got vaccinated, but the shine was off. We are not friends with any of those people anymore.

I found a local Food Not Bombs chapter in autumn '22, but then my mom got super sick, so I left because I didn't have time to do anything with them anymore. I was having a hard time feeling like I fit in, too, and trying to cram in organizing with people I suspect don't like me wasn't a high priority when I thought my mom was dying.

So now I've got no friends, a bad reputation with the local leftists, and idk where to go from here. Doing the DSA thing introduced me to another local chapter of a big org - ISO maybe? they split off the national org a while back - and while one of them definitely hated me, there were a couple that seemed to actually kinda like me, and I've thought about reaching out to them to see if they're doing anything I could help with.

I'm in a weird place though personally, struggling with content warning feelings while coming to terms with AuDHD I didn't know about for 40 years, and I definitely need a therapist before I put myself out there that much again. I made an Open Path account a couple weeks ago and reached out to a therapist but haven't heard back yet. I didn't want to pester hard though, because it's the holidays and not an emergency.

So yeah, that's where I am, feel free to make suggestions if you have them or ask questions if it will help inform your suggestions or satisfy your curiosity.

[-] Moss@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

I'm in a pretty good org, but I haven't been active in over six months. I've had a lot of mental health problems, anxiety, depression, probably ADHD, which for some reason have been holding me back a lot more recently than they used to. I wanted to take a break from being involved in the org and sort out my mental health first, but now I'm thinking that being active, learning, putting myself out there, taking in responsibility is how I'm going to sort myself out. I've been really anxious about being perceived as someone disagreeable and have always been very averse to confrontation, so I think I need to face down these fears. So when I get back after the holidays, I want to be active again

[-] cleoburymortimer@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

Good luck, you can do it! There's nothing wrong with being a stubborn, disagreeable motherfucker if you're doing it on behalf of the poor and oppressed and you're driven by a love for the people. I was very shy and conflict-averse when I started organising but the more I've done and seen, and the more I've become aware of how terribly my friends and neighbours are treated by capitalism, the less I've had time for compromise and being "reasonable" with the exploiting class and their lackeys.

[-] duderium@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

Covid, having a family, living in a rich rural lib area where I am half the age of everyone else and where everything is a lengthy drive away. American individualism also makes it difficult to get people to do things unless exploitation is involved.

[-] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm far too introverted and private to be a "leader" of anything so trying to start my own group or do entryism into an existing group is a no-go. All the leftists groups in my state are a joke. My work place is CHUD Heaven, the owner loves hiring Vets so I'm nervous to even bring up not wanting to invade Venezuela to them. I don't really want to start a union to help imperialist failsons get more treats.

Plus I'm pretty doompilled at the prospects of organizing in the imperial core. The anti-communist propaganda and tasty treat cocktail the West has dreamed up is just too damn good, everyone's brains are jello. Making myself miserable in the probably vain hope that I can build .0000001% of communism doesn't seem worth it, I'm pretty dedicated to matt-grillin at this point.

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

One is that I've been dragging my feet on getting (back) on a platform that most people use for organizing.

Another is that people very easily end up at each other's throats. Some of it is fallout from a schism that blew up 2 years ago, but a lot of it is just people being vindictive.

That said, there is quite a lot that I'm involved in. Honestly the rate of how much things are going on here makes me want to invite people to come here.

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

Still finding the right group and social energy. An old dude in one group thought I was a maoist. I thought he was pretty cool.

[-] Elon_Musk@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago

The existing community

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[-] glingorfel@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

it's covid, I did a lot more social activity before the pandemic. but now most of the people in those groups don't care about getting themselves a d w everyone else sick so I have like 5 people I can trust won't bring me a potentially disabling virus when I hang out with them

[-] JuryNullification@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Right now it’s just time available and lack of knowledge. I’m putting together an extremely basic program while everyone is distracted by the holidays and I’m going to present it to some interested comrades in the near future to get them interested in helping lead the effort, because it ain’t communism if I’m doing it alone. I’m hoping we can get something going to educate ourselves and others, help the community, and grow the movement, but I’ll settle for organizing experience and educating each other at this point.

I’m involved in other organizing efforts, but none of them are Marxist parties.

[-] the_itsb@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

Tell me about your Extremely Basic Program, please??

I just happen to be Extremely Basic myself 💅

[-] allthetimesivedied@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

Because I don’t like people, and most people IRL don’t like me very much.

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[-] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

I'm working on creating digital and sorta technological infrastructure. I was part of a local org. I did not disagree with them with regards to theory in anyway, and they were all much more well read and knowledgeable in ML than I was (and am).

They did not know very much about contemporary technology and the potential uses it could have. Fine. They did not want to use social media (in the broadest sense of the term, even for an internal intranet). Fine. However, I've been wracking my brain around and I can't for the life of me get how they could not conceive, if they were to look at it dialectically, that there are things that they don't know and that they don't know that they don't know.

I guess I'd like to do the plumbing and logistics of stuff. I was never given an opportunity. I asked, I was not allowed to do it in my free time. I was not listened to. And then some comrades were kinda mean to me too. I didn't like that very much. I also did not like that comrades spoke for members of other marginzised groups (e.g. women). The executives (student group FYI) knew I had issues with anxiety and mental health.

In the mean time I want to improve my technical prowess and memorize more marxist and classical (e.g. Aristotle's Organon, al-Farabi's islamic neoplatonism, darwin, Malthus, Roseau, Hayek) so that I can talk like I know theory too without practical consideration. I have a sense that if I quote the right people and don't focus on empirical stuff ALL the time as I felt comrades in the org did, I'd establish enough good will for them to listen to the immediately material things I';d suggest and am confident enough now to admit that I know of (not 'know' just know of).

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

+18 R district. Most of the "lefties" here are LIB that turn fascist the moment they are scratched. The closest org I have is over a 30 minute drive away and my "availability" is incompatible with it, not to mention the gas costs and the time sinks. For what pissing off the bougie-wink cops to get beaten, jailed, and fired from my job? What would that accomplish? I'm better off giving to things like a Doctors Without Borders, St. Jude, or the local HIV AIDS prevention org that gives out free Narcan. At least that's some material good. Educate my coworkers and turning CHUD family members off from this culture wars bullshit. It's educating in a way spreads, and minimizes risk.

Wacky shift schedules that make regular meeting times not regular and totally off-wack for traditional schedules. Risk to job and potential hyper targeting. Extreme introvert INFJ.

I sacrificed myself for Bernie's 2016 campaign. First interaction as a gentleman fedposting from Bechtel. It was brutal on my body, mind, soul. Until people are done being tricked into D and R are your only options, it's a wall-talk and not worth any more of efforts, time, money, or sanity. I tried. I went all out. Saw the potential, and it was there. And then he squandered it for Her Ego planet-hillary

And the movement choked itself out. Like Obama's massive organization before it. econony

aoc-rashida The Squad were were supposed to be the movement's representatives to try to change the course just turned around and capitulated along with flattened-bernie. #FrauDSquAd and screw the DSA and their bending over for the Does Not Care Corporation while maybe-later-kiddo scolding those who saw no future in the DNC. That writing was on the wall for a long time.

I give a bit to Stein for the amusement factor of being a thorn on the establishment's side. I'll friggin do it again too.

doomer It's just watching the elmofire world burn and the empire sink now. Tired of trying to educate idiots who refuse to learn from even recent history. It's beyond time for education. I don't see the light at the end of the tunnel. It's not happening in my lifetime. There is no path forward. The dominoes are already falling, and unless there is serious hard intervention, nothing is going to stop the inevitable rest of the domino chain from falling as a natural order of events. You don't need to be a psychic or genius to see where it ends or where it is going.

It's like a drunk addicted relative - until they (the country / anglo-burn ) is willing to admit they have a serious problem and needs help, it's just watching a painful slow moving trainwreck. It no longer shocks you. The just keep doing it. After a while the specticle of it all wears off, and you get tired and bored for waiting for the lesson to be learned the hard long way. BLUEBERRIES!

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The reason why younger liberals are more enthusiastic about organizing is because they know gaining power is realistic. So they campaign, canvas, pester, etc.

I suspect most young socialists know that the US will kill entire families before letting a “democratically elected” (within the bourgeois system) socialist win anything substantial. So they just treat it as a social club, which is fair, a good political organization is not about politics 100% of the time.

Still, this results in a lot of time being wasted doing performative stuff. I still think that performative action is still important even if the results are localized to the media fear mongering. It’s just that without any tangible results, people will burn out. Leadership needs to be aware that book clubs and movie nights and protesting can only carry you so long before people start thinking “why can’t I just post epic tweets at home denouncing imperialism or donate money instead of protesting?” So many people, including POC and those oppressed by the west and capitalists in general, fall into the trap of jadedness, powerlessness, and assimilation. “Yeah it sucks. What can you do?”

With that being said, ultimately, I don’t believe that any agitation will be effective until industry is brought back to the US from overseas and people began to experience the feeling of being overworked in every aspect because nothing would be cheap anymore. Right now people are just “meh, I’m miserable but I don’t mind chugging along a little longer.” Until then, it’s just universal capitalist realism.

I don’t support acceleration, but it seems like the only time people start to question our current system is when everything begins to fall apart. Acceleration will be decided by those whose net worth is 5000x mine, so it doesn’t really matter whether I want it or not. I guess it’s just a matter of being more prepared than liberals and fascists when the time comes.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

Yeah you're getting it. The average American still has too much hope. They're still sold on the idea that it's possible to get that house in the suburbs and the car if they hold on just a little longer. Pay off the credit card, get that promotion, finish the second degree, and eventually something will come along to secure the dream. Absolute cult of optimism that permeates too many brains.

I really believe the true death of leftist organizing in the US was the Reagan administration's loosening of housing regulation. Once housing became a commodity for the average person, an investment rather than a necessary place to live, it's like a button got flicked in people's minds. The "temporarily embarrassed capitalist" button. People think of their houses as a little business they're running. Eventually it'll get sold and they'll buy another, nicer house. Maybe they'll even rent a room or buy a second house to rent. Everyone got real estate and landlord brained over the 80s.

And how are you supposed to sell a person like that on socialist organizing? "Hey I know you've been working on this mortgage for the past 10 years specifically out of a pipedream to make $200k in profit but do you wanna help advance the interests of the global proletariat?"

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