Me, a nazi? Preposterous, no nazi would idolize ancient warlords or cultural works from Japan.
I remember reading a story where a solid boot-neo-Nazi idolised Zulu warriors, then finding out that idolising Zulu warriors was an OG Nazi thing
She’s 35 and her sum total understanding of culture and race has lead to this. I think she has been effectively a Nazi from way back.
OTOH, she also has said things like that she’s a socialist but believes in free markets rather than government intervention, so it’s probably fair to say that she’s not the sharpest egg in the attic
she’s a lying fascist. “nah I’m actually the socialists and here’s what real socialism looks like” is one of the oldest moves in the fascist playbook. she’s very bad at it, but it still did its job and convinced a lot of folks who don’t know any better that she was the leftist who would fix musk by giving him dmt or whatever
Ok sure, so she’s an idiot nazi then, and has been for a while.
Can you honestly say there is any other kind of nazi?
I really do want to participate in this snark and agree, but unfortunately there are at least two kinds of nazis: credulous folk (like grimes) that lack the wherewithal to critically assess fascist ideology, and people ideologically motivated to be nazis (e.g. rich capitalists), who can be “smart”, for many definitions/synonyms of smart.
unfortunately I don't think being smart does anything to prevent people from going fash
I think, I feel sorry for her, in the kind of I don't really endorse or have anything to do with sort of way.
She is the limit of what happens when you idolize certain people, are betrayed by certain people, and never grow from that experience.
you'd think she was some sort of trust fund baby artist white woman
The implication that there is or has ever been a monolithic "white culture" is idiotic. It is one of those assertions where the left and right horseshoe towards falsehood and depravity. That is to say both the Klan and extreme progressives agree there is a magic all encompassing definition of "whiteness".
This concept itself is racist because it assumes Ashkenazi Jewish, Nordic, Russian, and Irish cultures are identical in some way, when they obviously aren't. "The shared amount of relative pigmentation in skin" doesn't culturally unite people, nor does it account for their shared values and traditions, or lack thereof.
I understand how "white" become the word for a sort of assumed racial default, but it's really annoying to have to play this weird motte-and-bailey when people don't understand or pretend not to understand that whiteness is not about skin pigmentation and never was. Wanna check my skin on a Pantone chart againts Hitler's and then guess which one of us he thought was merely an "honorary aryan"?
I wish we had a better word for it.
extreme progressives agree there is a magic all encompassing definition of “whiteness”.
What do you mean by this? Speaking for myself, what I've read on the left with respect to "whiteness" has been largely critical of the concept, e.g. that it exists by its function to other and marginalize those deemed non-white. Who are you talking about on the left that affirms a non-reductive concept of whiteness? Because it sounds like you're both-sides-ing out of ignorance.
@mctoasterson @dgerard and it doesn’t even acknowledge the changing boundaries of “white”. The Irish weren’t white in America for decades. Jews weren’t white until post-wwii when “polite antisemitism “ became tainted and had to be discarded in the face of the civil rights movement.
Why the hell would anyone think about Cyrus the Great every day, let alone fondly.
Isn’t he the one that the US Religious Right used as a rationalisation for a philandering president being an instrument of God?
Please note that empires were actually invented by A Brown, of whom I think fondly every day. Therefore I am not a nazi.
Yes, if you are a "white pride" kind of person people are probably going to call you a Nazi. Thats exactly how it works.
I'm skeptical she thinks of Cyrus the Great every day but I hope it's true because it's really funny.
Alphas think of the Roman Empire every day. Sigmas, however, think instead of Cyrus the Great.
how dare people call me, grimes, a nazi? they’ll be eating their words when they see me post the exact same racist justifications in the same tone as a chan fascist trying to trick teenagers
it’s intensely obvious that grimes has always been fascist trash. I’m hoping she becomes a prime example of what a fascist looks like when they’re lying about being a leftist to manipulate their audience, but unfortunately the most common take I’ve seen is that musk somehow corrupted her into sounding like someone who’s spent decades absorbing and agreeing with the worst people on the internet? so I’m not betting that folks will get better at spotting this type of shit early
It's strange that someone can sound so much like they spent their late 20s binging Carl Benjamin videos yet be unaware of empires predating the Persian one.
There’s a lot of stupidity to unpack in that first tweet.
- “I’m called a Nazi” honestly first I’m hearing of it, so to me this is self identification
- “White culture” I imagine grimes here is saying “anything that someone who would at first glance look like a modern white person has done in all of history”
- “Brown king Cyrus the Great” I’m not racist because one of the historical figures i think about every day is brown!
- “who invented the first empire” ah yeah he MacGuyver’d one together with pure brown ingenuity, sticktoitiveness, and a plastic straw
- “Japanese icon Murasaki Shikibu[‘s] … first novel ever” tangent: perhaps this is just my own brand of degeneracy on display here: grimes is referring to “The Tale of Genji”, which I mainly know about because some of the core relationships in the book revolve around adults grooming their wards into spouses (it was a different time), which has popped up nowadays in the discourse of some fiction coming out of Japan (see Usagi Drop). So I’m tempted to project onto grimes a veneration for grooming, which kinda tracks, but it’s a stretch.
- “What if humans just loved each other?” You’re like 3 years late to former IDF member Gal Gadot’s imagine video
Gotta love the way that TESCREALnts write and how they have a tendency to generate fractally stupid things like this. There’s so much more you could say. Basically, if I could say “that’s not how any of this works” to Grimes, I would.
Imagine thinking there is actually some identifiable thing called "white culture". As if a skin color defines a culture.
Yeah, sounds like a Nazi.
Always screenshot.
I mean, I get what her stupid ass is trying to say but all she is doing is showcasing white privilege. Only someone who lives and has lived a privileged life can unironically try to gloss over the systematic oppression or annihilation of entire groups of people, especially as it continues today.
Bringing up the ancient slav slave trade and pretend there is some sort of equivalence to ongoing repercussions of slavery in america is peak out of touch.
alt girl amazes fans by posting on twitter in PERFECT nazi
The African slave trade of slavs? I think she means Arab. Or Arab/Muslim-osphere.
I wouldn't think sub-Saharan Africans ran a lot of ships up to the Baltic or the Black Sea to capture slavs for enslavement. Ottomans, yes. Barbary pirates, perhaps. Of course some of the most prominent of the Barbary pirates were actually raised Christian or Jewish in Europe, and joined the pirates as adults.
And I wouldn't be surprised at all if Europeans also captured slavs for sale to the Ottomans.
Weird, I'm also proud of my (white) culture, yet nobody sober and offline has ever called me a Nazi. And I don't even have to do the "some of my best ~~friends~~influences are black" thing.
Haha did one of us update this? I am on mobile and can’t be bothered checking the edit logs
No empire was ever born before 600 BCE (no no, the egyptians don't count), and no clear works of fiction, intended mostly to be dessiminated thorugh text ever existed before the 11th Century (You can dismiss anything prior as mere works of philosophy, poetry or mythology)
I don't trust musicians that I learn about via something other than their music and even after 4 years of knowing who they are I remain uncurious to sample any of the music they have created.
If a musician's music is never heard, are they still a musician? If they are not a musician, and not a nazi, then what are they?
in contrast, I did not forsee the trajectory of Grimes' views and personal life events after finding "Oblivion" to be a bop in 2012
Ridiculous takes from children on the internet throwing a tantrum aside nobody I've ever known has been accused of being a Nazi.
Which is not to say I've only known good people; rather that you can behave in some pretty odious ways and people still distinguish between racist shitbag and Nazi.
So umm what the fuck are people that complain about being called Nazi's admitting to? If they're actually being called out it's sure as shit not because they like cathedrals and soccer or whatever.
I'm just assuming it was in fact just a ridiculous take from a child throwing a tantrum because it makes the whole "I'm not a nazi, BUT…" bit that much more unprompted and funnier.
Like I know famous people get all kinds of bizarre shit on the internet but if some rando DM'd to call me a nazi I would simply choose not to let the public know I actually just love white culture.
That would be pretty hilarious. someone's like "hey Billy, check out this prank: @Grimes you're a Nazi" and she reads it and involuntarily starts shouting "Arbeit Macht Frei"
This is Elmo's baby mamma?
One of several, yeah
white culture
personality like lutefisk
SneerClub
Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.
AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)
This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.
[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]