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[-] carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml 28 points 10 months ago

State Department Lawyers Concluded Insufficient Evidence to Prove Genocide in China - FP

https://archive.md/SFvMX

[-] voight@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago
[-] voight@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Thanks, I collect these

[-] MarcoPOLO@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago
[-] carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

Yeah no shit, If no genocide is going on obv you won't have sufficient evidence

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago

some legal experts suspect China’s behavior may fall short of actual genocide.

Isn't an all clear, it's far from it.

[-] carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah you're right that is why china should stay guilty until proven innocent, even when the evidence for genocide is paper thin in first place

The source I posted is western and the fact that they even acknowledge a lack of evidence is quite telling.

Since it's impossible to prove a negative and taking western hegemony in (western) news sources into account makes i an almost impossible task to disprove the genocide narrative, I'll post the Chinese perspective which provides a much larger context: https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang

[-] Sheeple@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago
[-] carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Heres the original, I'll check and update the post when I find an alternative

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/

Edit: Archive works again.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The "guilty until proven innocent" part highlights a tactic to push back on manufactured claims of genocide paired with smears of genocide denial: genocide is a formally defined crime, just like murder. Just like murder, you start with a presumption of innocence -- that is, you start by denying the accusation, and it is on the accuser to prove what happened.

In cases like the Holocaust (or Palestine today) you have a mountain of evidence. You have countless eyewitnesses backed by film, sometimes video, and almost always official statements or internal documents showing intent.

In China you have significant motivation and credibility questions about the much smaller number of witnesses, you don't have anything like the photographic documentation of the Holocaust, you have some blurry satellite photos of... something despite the U.S. having spy satellites that can read a license plate, and your official statements (that are themselves backed by significant evidence) are about combating radicalization through development.

In short, there is actually a live question about the credibility and weight of the evidence. You do have to engage with the evidence and not simply take the accusation at face value, just like you would at a murder trial.

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago

They need to learn from sodastream how to market unfair and unequal employment conditions.

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