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Sumerian cuneiform, Egyptian hieroglyphics, manuscripts in Aramaic, Arabic, and Hebrew, the illuminated Christian Gospels, the Talmud, the Koran—with these forms and collections of writing came the expectation that a person would read them out loud and would, in a manner of speaking, conjure their reality. In his book A History of Reading, Alberto Manguel points out that Aramaic and Hebrew, the “primordial” languages of the Bible, draw no distinction between reading and speaking. The same word stands for both. Buddhism and Hinduism also give an exalted place to the spoken word.

The opening words of The Odyssey—“Sing in me, Muse, and through me tell the story”—make this clear: The storyteller is acknowledging at the start that the tale he tells is not his own, and that he hopes for divine assistance in telling it well.

I think it is pretty interesting that people engaged with reading this way. The author of this article notes that it becomes a living story. This also had the benefit of reaching persons that could not read. I wonder if the content was remembered more vividly through both seeing and hearing the words.

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[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 33 points 10 months ago

[off topic?]

Back in the day, cigar makers would hire a someone to read the newspapers out loud during working hours. Sometimes the staff would choose different books/magazines.

https://www.holts.com/clubhouse/cigar-culture/cigar-factory-lectors

[-] janNatan@lemmy.ml 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The recent German book "the door to door bookstore" (original "Der Buchspazierer") actually has a scene involving one of these orators.

I had to re-read a whole section of the book because I thought for sure I was misunderstanding part of the German text. But, nope.

Great feel good book for people who like books, btw.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

How Can I Help You, by Laura Sims. Two librarians in a deadly game of cat and mouse. Great feel good book for people who like libraries

[-] loopy@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

That’s interesting. I suppose it’s similar to having the radio or TV on the background at work.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

I may be wrong, but I remember a scene in Robert Redford's movie 'Havana' where the cigar makers are listening to Marx, until the owner walks in and the reader switches to a gossip magazine.

[-] uservoid1@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

Books and texts were rare and expensive until the invention of the printing press, the teacher/preacher used to have one copy and was reading it out loud for the whole class/congregation. Many could not read, so they had to have someone reading the sacred texts for them. Having one book for the whole class - many learned to read upside-down or side-ways while gathering around the teacher.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Reading out loud was in general a common pass time until recently as well. In an age without cellphones or TVs, people played games, musical instruments and read to each other to pass the time. Even after the invention of the press, books had to be payed and for everyone to enjoy them, reading out loud was a time efficient way.

Famously, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein's was inspired and written after the author had spend several evenings of unusually bad summer weather on the Swiss mountains with friends. Reading, talking and reciting poetry with and to each other. Impressed by some Gothic horror tales, they challenged themselves to write their own. Only Mary finished the task.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Speaking engages different parts of your brain, and can help you think stuff out.

Programmers call it "rubber duck debugging" where they explain the issue to an inanimate object, and talking it out helps them come up with a solution.

If everyone was reading like this, then stuff was written with that in mind

So it's not like reading a book ouloud today would be as good. But for crazy old texts like this...

Fuck it, read that shit out loud like it was meant to be

[-] HubertManne@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago

Is this surprising to anyone. Reading/writing being a common skill in the populace is a relatively recent phenomenon.

[-] loopy@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Sure but this isn’t just about reading and writing as skills. So you don’t find it different that everyone used to read out loud to themselves as a common practice and now everyone reads silently? Would it not be strange if everyone read books out loud to themselves on a bus or in their home?

[-] HubertManne@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

they were reading out loud to other people who could not read most of the time. At that point it would just be habit because its so unoften one would read alone.

[-] loopy@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

I suppose that makes sense, especially if texts were rare

[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 0 points 10 months ago

Pretty surprising to people who dont have great history schooling, which is most people on the planet

[-] blterrible@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

We should go back to this. I want to ride on a subway with everyone shouting "Meet hot singles in your area! Improve facial skin with one simple trick! Secret and confidential. Eyes only!"

[-] HowMany@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

You'd have to be a stone mason to handle a page burner.

[-] Malgas@beehaw.org 4 points 10 months ago

With regard to the Homeric epics (The Iliad opens similarly), it should probably be noted that they didn't originate as written works, nor did Homer compose them; he recorded an existing oral tradition.

[-] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

Silent reading is actually a shockingly recent invention. Because the letters "make sounds", the natural way to process a phonetic alphabet is to make the sounds of the letters as you read them and listen to yourself speaking the text. This goes on way later than many people realize. Being able to do silent reading at all was still a pretty remarkable skill in the time of Shakespeare. Being unable to read something without speaking the words was common probably well into the 19th century. Actually, as someone who works in education I can tell you that I will still recommend kids to read things out loud if they find something difficult. It's what phonetic writing languages were designed for, and it increases accuracy and comprehension.

[-] Taniwha420@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

St. Augustine (4th c. Roman) notes in his "Confessions" seeing Bp. Ambrose of Milan reading silently to himself and is impressed. They had so much committed to text, it leaves you wondering? Were all their works composed talking it out out loud? I have whole arguments in my head.

[-] loopy@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

That’s an interesting point. I have to imagine that everything on text was written and read aloud. Especially if it was a skill that seemed to be a rare occurrence at that time. It would be interesting to see how life would be if we had continued that tradition.

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