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"hey wait, EA sucks!" (www.lesswrong.com)
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[-] elmtonic@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

My optimistic read is that maybe OP will use their newfound revelations to separate themselves from LW, rejoin the real world, and become a better person over time.

My pessimistic read is that this is how communities like TPOT (and maybe even e/acc?) grow - people who are disillusioned with the (ostensible) goals of the broader rat community but can't shake the problematic core beliefs.

The cosmos doesn’t care what values you have. Which totally frees you from the weight of “moral imperatives” and social pressures to do the right thing.

Choose values that sound exciting because life’s short, time’s short, and none of it matters in the end anyway... For me, it’s curiosity and understanding of the universe. It directs my life not because I think it sounds pretty or prosocial, but because it’s tasty.

Also lmfao at the first sentence of one of the comments:

I don't mean to be harsh, but if everyone in this community followed your advice, then the world would likely end.

[-] dgerard@awful.systems 16 points 9 months ago

maybe, but I got to "moral cuckoldry" and realised their goal was to choose being worse

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 13 points 9 months ago

Whenever I see someone saying they are freed “from the weight of “moral imperatives” and social pressures to do the right thing” my immediate assumption is that they’re about to suggest something genuinely reprehensible or, best case scenario, advocate for crabs in a bucket positions.

[-] dgerard@awful.systems 13 points 9 months ago

EA: if a neoreactionary looked up "charity" in a dictionary, often literally

[-] locallynonlinear@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago

The cosmos doesn't care what values you have. Which totally frees you from moral imperatives and social pressures. Also, I'm doing this particular set of values which is better.

The limit of the cosmos not caring about what values you have, is the cosmos not caring if people choose to have value in their life.

[-] locallynonlinear@awful.systems 6 points 9 months ago

And as my senior dad likes to say, "Ying and Yang Baby"

[-] jonhendry@awful.systems 3 points 9 months ago

It directs my life not because I think it sounds pretty or prosocial, but because it’s tasty.

Who wrote this, Hannibal Lecter?

[-] swlabr@awful.systems 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I hate this phrase but this is “saying the quiet part out loud” in action.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I couldn't finish reading this, when I read this out loud: "I don’t want to be cuckolded by someone else’s pretty network-TV values." all the nearby dogs started barking.

E: seems a bit like a younger person who is now going through some trauma about how much influence they really have vs how much they imagined they had when they were 12 and now they are at risk of replacing that with nihilism tinted with far right dog-whistles (and as they keep searching for new values, and the nihilism turns out to also provide none they will just turn far right (if they aren't there already looking at the 'globohomo' blog (the blog is also fucking weird, look at the other things posted, it is just a massive list of blog posts all at the same day/days and a quick check (about 5 articles) shows the globohomo post is the only one with any upvotes) post they linked at). I think one of the more annoying problems of LW is that you simply cannot talk about this, you cannot go '"globohomo", "cuck" wtf you really need to read some other things than trash, you are poisoning your own brain'.

[-] swlabr@awful.systems 10 points 9 months ago

RE: your original comment. Reminded me of this LW post from half a year ago (discussed here)

RE: the followup edit. God, that is sad, and par for the course. Removed from context, I resonate with the youthful hopefulness of thinking you'll change the world, followed by the slightly less youthful hopelessness that changing the world in any meaningful way is much harder than what was quoted. Staying in the orbit of LW, NRx and other right/far right corners of the blagosphere is definitely not setting oneself up for success.

Also yes in their attempts to moderate and elevate their level of discourse, they've hamstrung themselves in many ways, least of all in being able to tell this dude to stop and get some help. It's like 10% of why they seem so humorless, self-serious, and unable to change (the last 90% is because they are humorless, self-serious, and unable to change)

[-] locallynonlinear@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago

seems a bit like a younger person who is now going through some trauma about how much influence they really have vs how much they imagined they had when they were 12

This really resonates. Unfortunately I think that's right. Having this epiphany, this existential correction, about ones self, has either the possibility to create true life long wisdom or, irrecoverable life long self loathing, and from my experience it comes down to the quality of this person's relationships to lean on when confronting the internal fear of mortality.

So it's sad to see but this is another example of the latter and not the former.

[-] carlitoscohones@awful.systems 9 points 9 months ago

Saving the world sucks unless you do it while traveling the world in luxury as an EA "charity worker" maybe.

[-] carlitoscohones@awful.systems 8 points 9 months ago

I made it to the second sentence and had to google "hedonium," which I figured was a portmanteau-type thing and indeed it was. In my search results for the word, I see LessWrong and Nick Bostrum at the top, so yeah.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 9 months ago

It is all the same stuff 'what if the AGI transforms all the matter in the universe into computronium in which we can live forever as digital beings' but now with Hedonium. It is all the same LW-pattern.

[-] mawhrin@awful.systems 8 points 9 months ago

so, copium?

[-] dgerard@awful.systems 7 points 9 months ago

hopium is on its way to being bitcoin jargon, so

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 9 months ago

Well ...euh.. that... euh fuck.

I guess!

[-] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 8 points 9 months ago

Wow, moral relativism, how daring!

[-] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If some guy promised to send you to secular heaven if you just let him fuck your wife, you’d tell him to hit the road.

I would?? I don't even know what this is supposed to mean so maybe I'll ask my wife!!

[-] zbyte64@social.rootaccess.org 3 points 9 months ago

@dgerard

There needs to be a Richter scale for telling on one's self. Is this a magnitude of 4?

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