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submitted 9 months ago by Fudoshin@feddit.uk to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

I just got up and took about 7 big huffs on a vape while making a coffee. 2% strength and my vision went, everything went black I started blacking out against the kitchen counter. Had to kneel down and wait for it to pass before standing up to finish my coffee. Fucked it up in a cloud of confusion and drank a warm milk.

How the fuck is nicotine legal?

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[-] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 73 points 9 months ago

help! I abused this drug and had a bad reaction how is this legal?!

This post (assuming it isn't bait) reminds me exactly of that meme with the guy throwing a stick through the spokes of their bike

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[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 48 points 9 months ago

This is way weirder than anything in the hydrohomies channel.

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[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Perhaps you should've taken a few big huffs of air aswell?

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[-] cali_ash@lemmy.wtf 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Why should it be illegal?

No one is forcing you to huff it.

[-] sanpo@sopuli.xyz 15 points 9 months ago

That's a really bad argument. People smoking in public do force me to huff the second hand smoke.

[-] cali_ash@lemmy.wtf 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's not an argument for banning nicotine in general. That's an argument for banning smoking in public indoor places, which I think is already the case in most countries.

[-] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

This and the fact that we're talking about nicotine here, not cigarettes directly.

Inhaling vapor is much less unhealthy (still unhealthy) than inhaling cigarette smoke.

And what about nicotine patches? Should we can those because people don't like inhaling smoke? Doesn't make sense.

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[-] Fudoshin@feddit.uk 10 points 9 months ago

I should have been clearer - why is weed illegal while other less-harmful drugs like weed (UK) are illegal? Makes no sense. If I can black out from weed while making coffee surely to fuck weed which has never made me black out should be legal? All weed ever did was make me fucking laugh or get paranoid.

[-] StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 9 months ago

Most of the drug laws are due to back door racism, at least here in the US. They couldn't make laws that directly targeted minorities and so they made laws that targeted things that were part of the targeted minorities culture. Opium and heroin laws seemed to target Asians and the weed laws seemed more to target "beatniks" and Native Americans. It's an interesting (if depressing) research topic of you've a mind.

[-] Fudoshin@feddit.uk 4 points 9 months ago

Chasing the Scream by Johann Hari gives a good run down of the history of the drug war and how/why it came to be. Shocking and depressing.

[-] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

Also the Behind the Bastards podcast episode on the US Crack Cocaine Epidemic is a good look at that end of things.

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[-] kautau@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

why is weed legal while other less harmful drugs like weed (UK) are illegal?

wat

If I can black out from weed while making coffee sure to fuck weed which has never made me black out should be legal?

Lol I know you meant nicotine and not weed, I think the nicotine is still affecting you

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[-] cali_ash@lemmy.wtf 6 points 9 months ago

why is weed illegal

Now that's a good question, very odd indeed. But I don't know the answer.

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[-] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 27 points 9 months ago
[-] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Hey now, if we just militarize our police a bit more, kill and/or throw a few more black people in jail, and further erode civil liberties, surely white kids will stop over dosing on drugs.

/s for the morons

[-] JCreazy@midwest.social 4 points 9 months ago

I do think it would be interesting to see a ban on alcohol today and how things would play out.

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[-] Dieinahole@kbin.social 27 points 9 months ago

Ah, here he is.

The reason for warning labels on everything

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[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

Same way caffien is legal. If you downed 7 espresso shots in a row I'd bet you'd also feel some advers effects. Hell down 7 McDoubles and see if you dont feel adverse effects.

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[-] colonial@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

My guy, see a doctor. Temporary blindness/blacking out is not a normal reaction to nicotine, even in excess. "Nic sick" should just mean nausea/vomiting, dizziness and headaches.

[-] naught@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago

I take it you have never taken nicotine in any capacity then. This is not "nic sick" but that "first hit of the day." Happened to me and everyone I knew when i smoked cigs, and when I kicked it for vaping, and when I kicked that for gum, patches, and lozenges. It's lightheadedness caused by replacing all your air with not air AND the head rush of nicotine.

That said OP should kick the habit if they can anyway (:

[-] SecretPancake@feddit.de 4 points 9 months ago

I got unconscious on marijuana two times. Not much, smoked a few times before without any consequences. Went to the doctor, he tested my heartbeat (I think), which was fine, and said „well just don’t smoke marijuana“. Which I ended up doing because I was scared. But I would have liked to know what the fuck was going on with me because that can’t be normal. The doctor did not care.

[-] dingus@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Idk I tried a weed vape once and felt like I was going to pass out like that lol. I stick to edibles.

Not that weird imo if he puffed it that many times in a row without coming up for air.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 19 points 9 months ago

Sounds more like a blood circulation thing. Nicotine overdose feels more like dizziness and tingling. If you ever feel like fainting try moving your arms and legs to get blood circulation up again. If it happens often see a doctor.

[-] saboteur@sopuli.xyz 9 points 9 months ago

I like the discussion on nicotine, but yeah. Op's "medical moment" seems unrelated to nicotine!

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[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 16 points 9 months ago

I think this was supposed to be in c/shitposts

[-] TIMMAY@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago
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[-] P1r4nha@feddit.de 12 points 9 months ago

The bigger question is why alcohol is not illegal. Ruins lives and families all over the globe. It is addictive, although not as much as opioids, and drunk people cannot drive and can also otherwise not be trusted. Some tend to violent outbursts etc.

The only answer is: It's easy to make, it's been tradition and banning/limiting it has been tried before. And that's also the reason why tobacco is still legal and nicotine isn't illegal.

[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 9 points 9 months ago

It is addictive, although not as much as opioids

Here's the thing. There's that famous study of Vietnam vets who used heroin. Turns out that 95% quit cold turkey and never relapsed. In Vietnam, their life was shit, so they used heroin to cope. Back in the US, their lives weren't that shit, so they simply stopped using.

Alcohol? If an alcoholic quits cold turkey, there's a high chance they'll drop dead.

This is partly why there's that 2010 study that ranked alcohol as being more dangerous than heroin.

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[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Lobbying. Why is anything in its current legal status? Because a lobby somewhere has spent an amount of money to convince someone to make it so.

[-] amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz 12 points 9 months ago

All drugs should be legal. Heroin should be legal. What actions people decide to take towards their own bodies are none of the governments concern (outside of offering rehabilitation).

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[-] ekky@sopuli.xyz 8 points 9 months ago

Same way alcohol is legal I imagine, we've been doing it for enough time that it has become culture, and it's not like THAT many people die of it anyway.

Luckily smoking (hopefully including e-smokes) appears to still be declining.

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[-] EarWorm@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

I know, right? Last night I drank 5 liters of water while brushing my teeth, and I got a serious stomach ache! How is water legal!?

What I'm saying is that what you experienced there was something called an "user error".

I have smoked for around 15 years now, got a vape maybe 3 years ago and I've never had anything like that happen, unless you count the "contests" we had in middle school.

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[-] Kwakigra@beehaw.org 8 points 9 months ago

Nicotine is legal because it was never made illegal, similar to most things which are legal.

Most of the time in which nicotine has been available it has been through combustion which destroys some of the nicotine and will cause a newcomer like you to cough like a maniac and vomit long before you've taken in enough nicotine to faint. Now that vapes designed to be easy to inhale are available and the amount of nicotine can be adjusted to be higher or lower by the manufacturer, a newcomer can inhale much more nicotine at once than has been possible until very recently. Also, the experience you just had is very unlikely to happen again for two reasons. First, you're probably not going to take huge hits of that vape anymore and second, your brain has now been exposed to that chemical so you now have some tolerance.

[-] erusuoyera@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago

Headrush. It's part of the appeal! Funny story, I once stood up too quickly and as I opened the door to leave the room I had a headrush. I grabbed the top of the door for support, but also fell against it trapping my fingers, so I yanked it back and smacked the door into my face, so I pushed it away and trapped my fingers in the top. Good times.

[-] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

Maybe u shouldn't'a done that?

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[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 6 points 9 months ago

Because laws shouldn't exist to protect morons from themselves. If you want to naturally select yourself out of the gene pool go right ahead.

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[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 6 points 9 months ago

Don't do that.

If you huff gas you'll get lightheaded, doesn't mean we make it illegal. Self control and responsibility for the win.

[-] doofer_name@feddit.de 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Real question is: Hows weed illegal (well over here it still is) and nicotine is not? It ain’t logical thinking thats for sure.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Because it’s a major export and cash crop with significant cultural value. Banning it would go like banning alcohol did

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[-] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

It's not legal where I live.

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[-] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Lack of oxygen did this to you, blame the vape. Nicotine is still shit but so is vaping. If you want bronchitis later in life, keep vaping

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