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Israeli minister renews call for striking Gaza with ‘nuclear bomb’ (www.aa.com.tr)

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[-] Tricia@feddit.de 43 points 10 months ago

The report did forget to mention that the minister was suspended for his first statement in November...

I really don't want to defend anyone here but I think it is important to stay as close to the facts as possible

[-] snek@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I agree that the article should mention such things.

However from what I read he seems to have only been "reprimanded" or suspended from meetings for it, not actually suspended as a minister.

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

So does that make him not a minister (an ex-minister?).

If he was suspended and not sacked, then I think he is still minister, but I am no expert on Israeli politics.

[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

AFAIK they have a war cabinet, and this minister's far-right party ('Jewish Power') isn't part of it.

Apparently this story is from november last year, a month after the attacks, and he claimed it was hyperbole after most people in Israel derided him as a lunatic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amihai_Eliyahu#2023_nuclear_weapons_comments_controversy

Obviously, fascists like to say outrageous stuff to disconcert people, but who knows with these lunatics.

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

According to your link, he is still a minister.

[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah, but they have a war cabinet, and have suspended all non-war or emergency legislation. So as far as I can tell he's a lame duck or in some kind of limbo.

[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago

so israel confirmed nuclear state?

[-] snek@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

It's the Schrödinger nukes.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Didn't we already know that?

[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

Not officially.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago

Biden's support is so unconditional that this still doesn't confirm anything. He would just give them one if they asked.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 26 points 10 months ago

Too late .... several advocates have already pointed out that Israel have dropped enough munitions in Gaza now to be beyond the level of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 23 points 10 months ago

And risk having nuclear fallout spread in Israel? Are they mad?

Also this would be the first time since Hiroshima and Nagasaki that any nation used a nuclear weapon against another nation.

If they do that, fuck it, I'm siding with everybody else who believes Israel needs to disappear and the land be given back to Palestinians. They would lose the legitimacy of the existence of their nation in my eyes.

[-] Red5@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 10 months ago

If they nuke Gaza they'll lose legitimacy in your eyes?

Prefer your genocides to be more drawn out?

[-] explodicle@local106.com 18 points 10 months ago

Wouldn't that make it harder to move new people in afterwards?

[-] PapaStevesy@midwest.social 20 points 10 months ago

I mean, Israel is literally right next to it, it would almost certainly make parts of their own country unlivable. Nothing they do seems to be based on logic or morality in any way though, so it's not that surprising.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Depends, modern electronic triggers and airburst munitions can yield smaller nuclear detonations without the fallout of traditional "slap two chunks of uranium together" style nukes.

Not sure exactly how much room a tactical nuclear device would need but it's possible to do it without taking out the entire place, yes.

[-] filister@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

The question is that if they drop atomic bomb the radiation from some radioactive isotopes has a really long half-life, and not sure if you can create a bomb only with isotopes who have short half-life. I am definitely not an expert and now I am curious if someone managed to achieve that.

For perspective, and don't tell me that dropping nuclear bombs over civilians was the necessary evil to do during WWII. Because if it was, how would you explain this:

The atomic bomb that detonated over Hiroshima used Uranium-235, while the Nagasaki bomb had Plutonium-239. The half-life of U-235 is 700 million years, while that of Pu-239 is 24,000 years. In other words, once on the ground, they will be there for a very long time.

[-] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

These atomic weapons are not used anymore. We use thermonuclear fusion weapons which do not irradiate the area as much: Fusion, unlike fission, is relatively "clean"—it releases energy but no harmful radioactive products or large amounts of nuclear fallout. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermonuclear_weapon#:~:text=Fusion%2C%20unlike%20fission%2C%20is%20relatively,of%20fission%20products%20and%20fallout.

Edit: I am a bit wrong, a fusion bomb by itself is relatively clean, but these damn bastards make them with extra fissile material for extra boom. Making it still quite radioactive when exploding