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[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 9 months ago

Fun fact: Poland has an embassy in Pyongyang that was operating until 2020, when it was suspended for an undisclosed amount of time. So until quite recently.

And the DPRK has an embassy situated in Warsaw, which still operates! They even target us with their eevul propaganda! Honestly it's nice to get translated works about Juche.

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 12 points 9 months ago

That is incredibly cool.

Why? I thought PiS would have ended that in a conservative rage tbh. I only know about Poland what a friend rants about and his politics are incomprehensible at the best of times anyways.

[-] voight@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Polish politics are so interesting tbqh if a bit bleak

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

Any insights? I would like to know more starshiptroopers.jpg

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Poland foreign affairs are weird because they are essentially two different bodies. The regular diplomatic corps is actually competent (very slowly losing it after 1989), able to maintain proper relations with everyone they want, though of course some ambassadors from political nomination are shitty, but i can't even remember any really serious incidents caused by them.

The Foreign Ministry though, are usually (both in case of PiS and PO) horde of drunken hogs with snouts surgically attached to USA boot and ass, which notoriously end up in spectacular failures like the infamous Iran conferency. Only reason we are as of yet be able to still maintain most relations is that the Foreign Ministry is usually treated as political loot to place the most incompetent and lazy bastards in winning parties so for the most of the time they do nothing but embezzle money and leave the mundane work to the professionals. And all important decisions are made in Washington for them anyway.

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago

Thank you for the lesson, that’s really cool how the diplomats have a certain degree of independence in their actions.

[-] voight@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I tend to know less than you all when it comes to the internal politics of most countries. But let me dig something up from my notes with my brother one sec

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago

No worries, you just sounded like you knew more than me on the topic. If not we can appreciate the pierogi politics from a distance while grilling or something

[-] voight@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

All of my Poland links are in the Ukraine folder. Typical brainless Z poster. I can't even find it, it's gotta be online somewhere.

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

No worries. If you’re going so far as creating and maintaining research folders, there is an effort post comm. archiving your collection(s) and posting it(them) would probably count as praxis tbh. Knowledge wants to be shared

[-] voight@hexbear.net 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Well I was thinking about the stuff we all know from the Ukraine crisis for the large part, the eye catching stuff about retaking Galicia, but I was looking for examples when the right wing is oppositional to things which aren't intuitive to me. No global unified bourgeoisie etc.

I just find it funny when hyper reactionaries feud with the EU and shit. I still don't understand the whole brexit thing either

[-] voight@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago

👍👍👍

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I don't think that map is accurate, for example Poland and DPRK hold mutual diplomatic relationships since 1948, both countries having embassies in each other. One of the last ambassadors was even Kim Pyong Il, Kim Il Sung's son.

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambasada_Korei_Północnej_w_Polsce

https://www.gov.pl/web/krld/ambasada

[-] Barabas@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I know Sweden has an embassy in NK since the 70s and there is a NK embassy in Sweden.

Strange map.

[-] voight@hexbear.net 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

@PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml Lol thanks for pointing this out

That's probably because this is on Wikipedia, which isn't even reliable about physical properties of napalm when it comes to countries in Asia.

This is why I post shit here, me and my brother were trying to figure this shit out late at night.

[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 12 points 9 months ago

Germany has an embassy

Until Corona that also had a youth hostel for some reason

[-] ChapoKrautHaus@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago

YES

I distinctly remember walking past that building - back then I was a huge lib - and thinking "oh wow this looks like THE most 70s building ever... wait what does the plaque say over there? Embassy of the DPRK? What's that?"

[-] neidu2@feddit.nl 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Another fun fact: DPRK still owes Sweden (a lot of money) for some Volvos they bought on credit in the 70's

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago

impoverished postcolonial countries that were bombed to shit are in debt to rich imperial core countries? Tell me more!

[-] Barabas@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Wasn't just the Volvos, also mining equipment. But the only way Sweden is trying to collect the debt is with biannual reminder letters, so it isn't like there is a huge effort to collect the debt.

One of the main reasons that Sweden is allowed to act as a protection power (wtf is English for Skyddsstat? Essentially means neutral ground for countries that lack diplomatic relations) for a load of western countries and North Korea is how lax the debt collection is.

[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Once again, the DPRK was NOT an impoverished country even after it was being bombed to shit! It was one of the fastest growing economies in Asia and fared closely with post-war Japan’s reconstruction. The DPRK in the 1960s had higher living standards than China, South Korea and other Asian economies that rose in the 1980s.

I wrote an entire comment here if you’re interested.

The reason the DPRK couldn’t pay off the Volvo debt was because of the 1972 drought in Europe that caused short falls in Soviet crop harvest. The “Russian wheat deal” resulted in the USSR spending heavily to purchase grain abroad on the international market, causing global grain prices prices to be inflated everywhere else. The DPRK, which as I had written on the linked comment, was severely lacking in food security and depleted much of its foreign reserves purchasing food in the early 70s with highly inflated price.

This was the reason why the DPRK couldn’t pay back Volvo. This was the reason why the DPRK would spend the next few decades going after a self-reliance policy (Juche can be roughly translated to something like “self-reliance”), trying to conquer nature and increase food production on a very cursed land that is the Korean peninsula, to much disastrous consequences.