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[-] TylerDurdenJunior@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The argument for dropping nuclear bombs on Japanese civilians I hear the most, is that it would have caused more casualties to continue the war.

Now transfer that logic to the US

[-] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Now this is the kind of debate logic I can get behind.

[-] duderium@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

“Of course America was bad back then but we need to support America against Russia now because imperialism is when a country does stuff!”

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

I'm sure the victims of communism foundation will add these totals to their death tally because somehow this is gommunism's fault.

[-] roux@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Babe wake up the new Black Book numbers just dropped.

[-] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

It's a thing of the past, 2021 was like 5 centuries ago. The US is the good guys now!

[-] jabrd@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago
[-] JuneFall@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

But we are witnessing its fall and it is glorious

[-] jabrd@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

There's nothing to indicate that the empire will not just continue on in another form following the collapse of its american iteration

[-] JuneFall@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

There's nothing to indicate that the empire will not just continue on in another form following the collapse of its american iteration

I am not so convinced of that. Will there be imperial actions and thus imperial cores?

Very likely. However the hegemony that the USA could project onto the globe after WWII is a singular event for the US. The situation is very different now and while I do think that the climate catastrophe can change quite a few things the power ratio between the imperial core and the rest of the world will not be as such.

The blocks that are relevant in economic power after the USA's decline are the EU, Nigeria, India/Pakistan, China, maybe some South American coalition. Of those no one is uncontested in its economic resource extraction outside its borders.

There might be a future government which changes how China operates and turns imperialist as the USA was (currently that looks unlikely), but even then it has a few more hurdles on one hand and then there is the competition in the multi polar world that restricts projecting power, too.

Maybe I am more of a bloomer, but think contradictions do enough to fundamentally reduce the strength of empires in the next 50 years.

[-] TillieNeuen@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago
[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

we should have an emoji of Colin Powell holding up a vial at the UN

[-] mar_k@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

To a lot of Americans, the life of a single American is more important than the lives of thousands of non-westerners. The harsh reality is this goes beyond our government, a lot of everyday Americans are conditioned to see Middle Easterners as barely human.

I mean, most Americans will tell you the War on Terror was bad, but they'll usually just say it was "unnecessary" "because it cost U.S. troops." Then they'll go "9/11 never forget!" for decades to come over 3,000 dead Americans.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Project For A New American Century intensifies freedom-and-democracy

[-] JuneFall@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

I read that the clique around Bush did aim to "pay back" stuff a thousand times, seems that they more or less managed to do that, even though the pay back was genocide against innocent people, which the USA has a tradition that reaches further back then the Vietnam War.

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