Bluesky is very barebones and has even less functionality than Mastodon. Beside having a similar look to Twitter I don't understand why people choose it.
Because even for me, a full time systems coder, just figuring out what server to join was a pain, I had to try 3/4 time before I felt like I had enough info to make the correct choice, and then finding other users from my previous twitter gang was a pain, the barrier to entry is much higher than some other options.
Same as me, I have tried to join mastodon like 4 times since it launched. To me it's still a ghost town with very little of value.
I've built a place I find comfortable, took a couple tries. But I have found decent content, found some of my friends from twitter, found replication bots for people I used to follow but not really interact with.
It's not twitter, but it took me 5+ years to build out my twitter. I think over time, enough people will join defederated social media that it can be a pretty good experience if a little too much work for many. But it will take a little time.
Unfortunately marketing matters a lot. One single brand is easier to understand than the many federated servers of mastodon.
I wanted to check out where this reddit community migrated to some server with something lemmy. It said something about mastadon so I made an account to try to participate. It wasn't really clear to me lemmy isn't another mastodon instance, but a different protocol with some federated synergy. My fault, but the marketing is a bit confusing.
Because even for me, a full time systems coder, just figuring out what server to join was a pain
What was there to figure out in your case?
Well, every instance has different mix of people interest and moderation. Which maybe I was over thinking it but it took a while to figure out where I wanted to be. And my initial experience wasn't great. My server was way out of date, had caching issues, was slow lots of defederation and perhaps arbitrary blocking that I didn't know was going on so I didn't understand why it didn't work.
I gave up and came back to a different server and it's been good since. But, no one is switching from threads or Instagram for that experience. Or at least going to stick with it long enough to find a home.
Step 1. Make people feel "excited" about joining by creating false exclusivity. (Facebook was originally only for college campuses)
Step 2. Drop the false exclusivity.
Step 3. Profit?
I honestly don't know either...
i'll chose it because reddit is a cesspit and the fediverse has very little content.
Going from one billionaire's platform to another (Twitter/Musk > Bluesky/Dorsey) is not a smart move. There's a vast segment of the population that learns nothing and keeps making the same mistakes.
There's a vast majority of the population that doesn't care.
Not really interested myself: Never liked the Twitter-esque platforms to begin with, plus I'm pretty happy with Lemmy and Kbin.
Twitter is terrible for people like me. I like following interests: books, coding, landscape photography, linux, etc. Twitter is more about following people, and people have diverse interests. One thing I really liked about Reddit was that it had active subreddits dedicated to particular interests. You could just hang out in those subreddits and only ever interact with things on topic to said interests. Lemmy has a bit less of that, unless your interests are politics, linux, and programming, and shitty memes.
Lemmy is great in the same ways (and better in some) in principle, it's just a scale thing that makes it more difficult to obtain that "build your own experience" effect like Reddit has. There just aren't enough people right now to support the super idiosyncratic stream of content that you can curate with Reddit.
My advice is to just lean into it. Start with Ubuntu or Mint, queue up The Next Generation season 1 on your Jellyfin server, and keep contributing.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to Lemmy having more niche places: That was, hands down, my favorite thing about reddit. I don't really care much about following people, I prefer to follow subjects..
Speaking of niche communities, I'd like to take this opportunity to plug !micromobility@lemmy.world
Agreed
I just don't think I know how I'm supposed to "properly" use Mastodon. I just see 80% US political discussion, which is fine, but my broken zoomer brain just gets worn down by it very easily.
With Lemmy/KBin if I get bored with a topic, I can just switch over to a different community/magazine.
They could have opened themselves when twitter went downhill. They missed this opportunity window Threads took advantage of.
Last time I tried to use Blue Sky it was so incredibly broken. And that was like November 23? I assume at the time that Twitter was exploding with people jumping for life rafts it was even less feature complete. They probably would have just doomed themselves via word of mouth if hordes of people had come straight from Twitter to BS. At least this way they are managing expectations a little bit.
OTOH, having said that, I don't understand why anyone would ever get onto a new commercial social media platform again now the Fediverse exists. Kick in a couple bucks a month to your server admins and the dev team and know that at least you're not the product and not just building up something that is on the road to yet another enshitification.
For everyone wondering why anyone would use Bluesky when Mastodon and/or the Fediverse is around.
I have to ask why not use both? All the tech people I followed on Twitter went to Mastodon almost immediately when Musk bought the site, while most of my personal friends on Twitter were not willing to leave because they thought Mastodon was too techy and Bluesky couldn't replicate the network of people they valued from Twitter. That said, slowly over time as the invites came rolling in for Bluesky, my personal friend circle has been willing to move to Bluesky while they still wont touch Mastodon and honestly it hasn't harmed me in the least to use both. It's actually sorta nice to have the tech stuff in a separate bucket from my personal connections.
I'm not super hopeful that the AT protocol ever expands beyond the single site it is now, but I will be fully happy to launch my own instance and keep my personal contacts if that day ever comes, and if it doesn't, I've still got Mastodon to fall back to where I'm pretty happily established but for the lack of the people I know IRL.
I’m on the other side, why use either? Microblogging seems quite dated and the format is not conducive to conversation. I prefer Lemmy style posts and comments to microblogging.
Let’s not even get started on how stupid people sound when they talk about skeets and toots.
I’m on the other side, why use either?
Microblogging is a great format for following creators. I don't need your life story to know that you've got a new album, a new software release, a new security vulnerability, a new video, a new tour, or a new comic. The shortform communication forced by Mastodon or Bluesky is perfect for that. It gives enough room to share those quick updates, and that's about it. Replies are also kept succinct which makes parsing those for relevant context or side info similarly simple.
I originally got into Twitter because it was the update channel for when new Cyanogenmod releases dropped and I stuck around because following the right security professionals made it so that I could learn about a new CVE within seconds of its filing rather than having to wait for a news site I visit to catch wind of it and write something up. Which in turn made my job easier because I knew what systems we'd need to be patching well before that info bubbled up to my bosses so I could already have a head start on the work before the ask reached me officially.
These days, microblogging (at least with a straight chronological follow feed) more or less achieves what RSS used to back before everyone suddenly decided about a decade back that it wasn't worth maintaining an RSS feed without Google running Reader or some crap. By way of example, ~20 years ago I had 13 comics that I followed via my RSS reader, today only 5 of those creators still have RSS feeds and a couple of those seem like they're on life support for how they seem to infrequently pause updates for a few days at a time. All of the RSS feeds that are gone have moved to microblogging of some sort for updates, and I'd rather they use something open than the likes of Twitter (which I left at the first whiff that Musk was buying the place) or Instagram (which I have never used because it's Facebook and I don't do Facebook.)
Let’s not even get started on how stupid people sound when they talk about skeets and toots.
Yeah, I'll agree there. I call them posts wherever they reside. It's what they've always been, it's what they'll always be.
I'm still hoping that ATProto will one day federate natively with ActivityPub. It's very possible, and there are already relays doing it.
I think I'll stick with Lemmy, Kbin, and a bit of reddit, never cared for the Twitter/Mastodon/Bluesky style of website
Reddit is so shitty to use. My desktop doesn't let.me get to because it says they don't allow VPN. Which I don't have on. I think there's an option to make an account to get access...
And the website on mobile is so slow and unintuitive.
Every search I used to make was with site:reddit.com but I just stopped because I can't make it in the site.
I didn't expect it to get that bad.
For whatever reason it has been more successful attracting Arabic speakers than the fediverse.
I'd wager invite-only versus network effect. Early adopters have more opportunity to shape the emerging community. There was no rush of standard American dorks to homogenize the place.
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