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[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 54 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They could always, you know, just fucking leave.

[-] febra@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Now tell Putin that.

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago

400,000 people that could have taken up arms against their dictator but they chose not to.
If being sent to the western front is a death sentence anyway, why not choose to die trying to live?
I'd gladly take a bullet in the back of the head rather than starving and suffering frostbite for months THEN taking a bullet in the gut or bleeding out after having my legs blown off by a mine.

Don't get me wrong, there's honor in defending your country and your freedom, but these men aren't dieing for either of those things.

[-] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago

Consequences for their families/friends. It's not a choice I'd ever want to have to make.

[-] Wappen@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

Never put the blame on the people. Imagine you are a being forcefully recruited to fight in war. You have family at home. You have hope. And therefore you stay passive. There are 8 billion people on earth, including you, who could try and take action. After all, why try if you can at least try to survive?

My words are a bit scattered, sorry for that, but I cannot stay calm when I see someone blame the people instead of the system. A revolution does not rise just because it seems fit. A revolution rises because oppression wasn't fully successful somewhere. That's my opinion at least. And if you look at history you will probably see the same patterns.

Also being sent to the western front isn't automatically a death sentence. You could be wounded and be taken to hospital, you could be captured and be put in prison, you could also simply try and survive.

[-] ech@lemm.ee 18 points 9 months ago

I'm not going to pretend there aren't people that deserved their death there, but I'm positive there were also plenty of people that were just part of the machine and saw no way out.

Any country's biggest military asset is the poor populace that is promised a better life and then ground down into the tool or sacrifice that the leaders decide they need. Call it brainwashed or just "stupid", plenty of the deaths even on Russia's side were just normal people caught in a terrible conflict.

And to be clear, I'm in no way suggesting Ukraine shouldn't have defended itself, I just put the blame in Putin's hands, not on the peons he throws into the grinder for his own vanity project.

[-] avater@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

I think the people who are truly against this war or putin are a minority in russia. Most of the people their are in line with Putins course and have been so for decades.

[-] avater@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

that may sound gruesome but the only way to peace for the people of ukraine is to kill as much russians as possible there. Only when we cross the threshold of human losses that Putin or the Russian people are prepared to accept, we will see true negotiations.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

How is it gruesome to say a defending force against an invader must kill the invaders?
The gruesome part lies solely on the invaders trying to oppress, invade and take over a peaceful neighboring country by force.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

To be fair, other ways for Ukraine to win might include things like assassinating Putin or taking territory.

[-] khannie@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Fingers crossed for the former 🤞

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Unfortunately, Russian has a lot more people to throw into the meat grinder. Sure, their society is probably going to collapse completey due to this in a few decades, but that's something Putin couldn't care less about about. He really seems to think he can will remembered as a great conqueror instead of a pathetic failed Stalin wannabe.

[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Putin is going down as the guy who could have un-fucked Russia and chose not to. Idiot just killed his best potential successor. The collapse is baked in and the consequences won't really hit Moscow for another 30 years or so, just long enough for another generation of Russians to grow up and get sent to die in another imperial Russian fever dream.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 23 points 9 months ago
[-] AliasAKA@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is somewhat misleading. According to that Wikipedia page, just using the US estimates, Ukraine has had 70k deaths and Russia has had 120k+. While these are similar in that they both round to 100k perhaps, Russia has almost double the Ukrainian military personnel losses.

War is miserable, but I don’t think Ukraine is losing military personnel by nearly the same clip that Russia is.

[-] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago

While that's true, I would argue the total human cost is similar. Your estimates do not count stolen and killed Ukrainian civilians. Adding those would make the numbers far closer, especially since no Russian civilians are caught in this conflict so far.

Not saying any of this is OK. Just unfortunately the numbers are very similar. War is miserable.

*And yes, the fact that Ukraine is suffering more losses due to the fact that it's Russia invading absolutely makes Russia the bad guy here. I'm just pointing out that the losses are unfortunately very close.

[-] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

The population ratio ia roughly 3:1 though, so even 120:70 is far from sustainable or winnable sadly. I'd imagine those numbers would be way better if the military aid was not drip fed...

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Hollywood presents fighting war in this heroic way. After seeing enough videos of soldiers getting blown to bits by randomly passing drones, I think it’s more bleak than that. You likely are going to get killed in the least heroic way… lying in the dirt.

Based on these casualty numbers there is just about a 99% chance you will be killed or severely maimed. Unless you have a legitimate higher purpose for fighting, which I believe the Ukrainians do, it would be best to avoid it all together.

[-] theodewere@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago

no, life has no meaning in Russia, that's the problem

[-] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago

When russia lost 100 men, they lost like 1 and a half.

[-] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

They're always in the last place you look, Vlad.

[-] KillerTofu@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Of course they are, why would you keep looking once you found them?

[-] SteefLem@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

“Soldiers”

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