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And yes, the 1701 really has a bowling alley.

Kevin says so.

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[-] Maven@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 9 months ago

Bowling is kind of a clutch sport for a Federation starship, if you think about it.

  • Bowling alleys are long and narrow, which means you can fit one in by shaving a little off a lot of rooms instead of a lot off a few rooms. They're infinitely scalable, too; you can have a 2-lane alley, or a 200-lane alley, whatever fills your space. You can even stack them; if you've got two three-lane-wide spaces on adjacent decks, just add a staircase.

  • Bowling accomodates a wide range of player counts; a lane might be one guy whose friends are all on-shift, trying to nail a perfect game, or it might be a scheduled five-member team competing against four other teams. There's not a lot of "big room" sports that take up less space per player than bowling. Especially in the future, where the machinery is probably one micro-repulsor emitter in the ball return and a tiny antigrav in each pin.

  • Bowling is easy to teach: even aliens who've never heard of it can pretty easily pick up "roll this ball across that floor to hit those sticks".

  • Somewhat relatedly, bowling is very social; if you're on a team, you're not actually playing n-1 shares of the time, so you can chat with your teammates, other players, etc. Good for both crew bonding, and for diplomacy.

[-] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

One objection: bowling is not a good game for socializing. I go to a fair number of networking events for my job, and the challenge in bowling is that you can't have any conversation of substance before it's your turn again. You're constantly getting interrupted and then trying to restart conversations.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 6 points 9 months ago

Damn good sales pitch, Ferengi.

[-] M137@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Bowling is common worldwide, baseball isn't.

[-] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

And any person can play it, even people who can't walk, bowling is the most diverse physical sport out there, no special skills required, just roll the ball, you can even choose weight to be comfortable to you

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

"Fucking Gary. That creep can roll, man."

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 4 points 9 months ago

"You said it man, nobody fucks with the Gary."

[-] teft@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Neelix is a better candidate for The Jesus since he exposed himself to a two year old.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

You don't fuck with the Gary.

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 9 points 9 months ago

In TOS they didn’t have holodecks.

A space ship might fit bowling lanes but not a whole baseball field.

[-] metallic_substance@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Also, bowling was waaaay more popular at the time TOS was airing than it is today

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Because bowling is fun and accessible for everyone whereas baseball is 15 minutes of action spread over 3 hours for chemically enhanced freaks where the biggest fans are mostly in it for the statistics?

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago
[-] Hegar@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago

This isn't facebook, please don't willfully spread disinformation.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Hey man, I don't even like sports but I had so much fun taking a friend visiting me when I lived in L.A. and wanted to go to a Dodgers game. We sat in the cheap seats behind the batter. The crowd around us was mostly Latino and Latino people love baseball. Their excitement was infectious and I couldn't help but get invested in the game.

Honestly, it was a great time.

Do I watch baseball on TV? No. But I'd definitely go to a game like that again.

[-] Hegar@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

Sure, being in an excited crowd is fun. I don't really see what the baseball is adding.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Some of the parks have expensive but tasty food too

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

It's adding a reason for the crowd to be excited for one. Do you think they'd be equally as excited in an empty stadium?

[-] Hegar@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

No but like a concert, or a dog show or domino knocking or literally anything else would involve an excited crowd and something enjoyable to experience.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I can't explain it to you how this is different from something like a concert more than saying that the intense competition going on is a big part of it. I don't even think you can say that about a dog show because there's no action there.

[-] tim-clark@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago

"Intense competition" and "action" aren't associated with baseball. Why do people drink so much at baseball games? Because nothing exciting is happening. At least with bowling the people playing do something, instead of 80% of the team standing around doing nothing. Everytime someone bowls is exciting, things happen. A pitcher, at their best nothing happens. Boring!

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

Okay, well you can find sitting at a bowling alley watching people bowl more exciting than a professional baseball game, but I sure don't. And one other person here agrees with me about not enjoying sports but enjoying the whole atmosphere of a baseball game.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Every person playing the game baseball is dedicated to stopping everyone else from doing anything at all. The entire game is based on waiting around or preventing any form of progress. It is excruciatingly frustrating and boring.

[-] random9@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Wait, who says baseball didn't survive? DS9 had a baseball game, against the Vulcans nonetheless iirc, clearly they still know the game is and have teams that play it. Am I missing something?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

DS9 said baseball didn't survive. Living holodeck version of Buck Bokai said as much to Sisko:

BUCK: Well, that was baseball's epitaph, wasn't it. Nobody seemed to have time for us anymore. I could've played five more years if they hadn't killed the game.

SISKO: You were the best that ever played. I know. I've played with them all. I've got work to do.

BUCK: Hey, Ben. It really meant a lot to me, how much you cared. That day we won that world series, there were only three hundred people in the stands.

From If Wishes Were Horses.

[-] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

You know, I just had a thought. Maybe there were only 300 seats in the stands because he played for the London Kings and everyone in Britain was like, "why the fuck would we watch this American shite?"

[-] random9@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Hmm, I guess I have forgotten the exact dialog, as it was over 10 years ago since I watched that. I guess the implication is that it didn't survive as a professional competitive sport? Because there definitely are teams that play it at least casually - and I went to check, it was indeed a Vulcan baseball team that challenged Sisco https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Logicians - so I'd argue it still has survived to some degree, no?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

The whole point of that episode was that Sisko and Solok had been competing with each other for years and Solok put together and trained a baseball team specifically to challenge Sisko.

The one place that baseball was still regularly played by the time of DS9 was Cestus III, which is how Kasidy Yates knew about it. Her brother played baseball there.

[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

Hear me out. They don't have fields because they play outside. Just crank up the artificial gravity on the hull, suit up, and head out an airlock. It's one of the reasons for the saucer section.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I love the idea, but according to DS9, almost no one knows what baseball is.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

That's because Khan took the ball home with him in a snit.

[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 9 months ago

Baseball is not really a thing outside of the US and Japan. So why would it be a thing outside of Earth?

And, at least in Europe, there are way more people that know at least the basics of bowling than baseball, and similar games have been played everywhere since time immemorial. Couple that with the relatively small playing field, without the need for too much vertical space, it's a significant more attractive choice to have on a spaceship.

[-] cybervseas@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I thought according to SNW they don't even need space suits outside on the hull… 🙃

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 9 months ago

Bowling and Baseball we're both killed by Parchesi Squares.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago

Presumably humanity spent a lot of time in bunkers prior to first contact, and there's not enough space for baseball but there's plenty of space for bowling

[-] spittingimage@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Can't believe they chose a bowling alley and not a wave pool.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

They should put some saunas in as part of the cooling system. A lil treat for working in engineering.

[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 0 points 9 months ago

I'm sure you could do field sports in the Holodeck, but it wouldn't surprise me if fully interior sports like bowling or hockey became significantly more popular once human civilization started regularly spending time in space stations and ships.

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This was also before they had holodecks, so they would have had to have another form of recreation. That was something the crew of the NX-01 kind of struggled with, so it would make sense the next Enterprise would have accomodations

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