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[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 231 points 8 months ago

Do people really not remember that it was also boomers protesting vietnam and working in the civil rights movement? Or that plenty of people born after that voted for trump, and will again?

Three intergenerational fake fight is dumb, and it prevents any real attempt at unification to fight against a real enemy: fascism.

Fucking idiots, the whole fucking human race.

[-] Ross_audio@lemmy.world 75 points 8 months ago

The counter culture was called a counter culture because it was a minority. Even of the boomers.

The intergenerational fight is dumb, but if you're talking generalisation and joining in, most boomers weren't hippies.

They conformed and are still complaining about those who don't conform. Just as they complained about hippies then they complain about zoomers now.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 26 points 8 months ago

I wasn't exclusively talking about hippies, there were other counter culture groups and movements.

But the thing I think you missed is that even if most baby boomers weren't hippies and protesters, all of the hippies and protesters were boomers.

It isn't a generational issue at all, it's a human issue, where you have people that fall into loose groupings of motivations and thinking, which seem to be either "nature", or carried across generations over time. Some people, likely the majority, will be the conformists, and the rest fall into varying degrees of heresy.

There are plenty of baby boomers and later generations (us gen x old fucks are old fucks now too) that don't sit around bitching about "kids today".

Some of the baby boomer resistance got worn out and stopped fighting to some degree, but that's totally different than the entire generation just becoming conformist.

Truth? People are just idiots in general, and every generation has them. But until you spend time really hanging around a given generation, you only see and hear the loudest of them. I spent two decades of my life taking care of the elderly and dying. You ended up running into a big cross section of baby boomers and older generations doing that during the nineties and early noughts.

That's part of the problem. Most of us never get a chance to get paid to sit and listen to someone. We only hear the tiniest sliver of a generation. Even with my hundreds of patients to listen to, that's still a tiny sliver, it's just bigger than most people get. All that usually happens is you get access to family and whoever is in the news/talk show circuit. Online, you tend to only get the extreme ends of things being the loudest.

It isn't a generation issue at all.

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[-] Morcyphr@lemmy.one 36 points 8 months ago

Ahh, the voice of reason. All ____ are ____ (fill in with your favorite stereotypes). Then, us serfs fight amongst ourselves, oblivious to what's really going on.

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[-] TeenieBopper@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Nah, it was still the WW2 generation that fought for Civil rights. The Boomers were in elementary school in the 50s and only the oldest could even vote in 1963, 1964, and 1968.

But once all the Boomers could vote, who got elected? Reagan. So fuck them.

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[-] merde@sh.itjust.works 145 points 8 months ago

a global generation that won't be storming any beaches or cities would be a blessing for the world

imagine a generation in russia that just keeps doing what they do instead of listening to an old psychopath in Moscow who decides that it would be "good" to send hundreds of thousands to their deaths to bring death and destruction to millions of others

being peaceful is not a shame!

[-] OpenStars@startrek.website 19 points 8 months ago

Yeah but... they seemed to not have realized that it would be THEM being used as cannon fodder. They thought they could just reap the benefits without having to lift a finger. It was going to be "repeal and then replace", and then once they swallowed that line, it reeled them in when it was too late to pull back.

i.e. they were promised peace - the territorial expansion was only supposed to last 3 days and that hardly counted in their eyes - and did not realize that by having elected Putin, it was already too late.

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[-] Spaghetti_Hitchens@kbin.social 127 points 8 months ago

I'd be willing to be that if there were an existential military threat, the zoomers would indeed find it in them to storm the beaches of Normandy.

I hope they storm the metaphorical beaches of climate change and economic inequality

[-] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 33 points 8 months ago

We're definitely not setting them up to be facing it in easy mode that's for sure.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 28 points 8 months ago

No need to storm the beaches of Normandy we have the channel tunnel now. You can take a train, it's much easier.

[-] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

I don't paint but, the imagery of zoomers "storming the beaches of economic inequality" gives me inspirational energy I haven't had in a while. Thank you.

[-] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago
[-] Imalostmerchant@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago

Love that the central boat is going the wrong way

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[-] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world 112 points 8 months ago

Generational labeling...

I see it as a way to divide the working class, same as the "lower class"/"middle class" and "unskilled labor"/"skilled labor".

[-] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 15 points 8 months ago

Lower vs middle class maybe sure, there is discussion there. Skilled vs unskilled labor: you don't know how to read even Wikipedia. It has nothing to do with skill (you can watch a guy dice an onion in his hand in 4.2 seconds and it's still "unskilled labor") and everything to do with choosing the right vocabulary to express a point: some jobs require college or trade school and some do not.

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[-] spittingimage@lemmy.world 86 points 8 months ago

Aren't we supposed to want a world where our children's generation don't have to do that?

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago

And the worst part is forgetting that Boomers did their best to avoid going to war, just like any person would. In fact, it got so bad and so many people were going to jail or becoming Canadian exiles by avoiding the draft that Jimmy fucking Carter had to issue a general amnesty for all citizens.

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[-] root_beer@midwest.social 68 points 8 months ago

This A+ civics genius over here seems to be forgetting all the millennials that went to Iraq and Afghanistan, and when we (the US government) inevitably set up another meat grinder overseas, then there will be a bunch of “today’s youth” getting killed over there just like she wants. Christ.

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[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 67 points 8 months ago

Also can’t imagine any of them holding a sword high while charging their horse into a wall of pikemen.

War changes. Normandy was 80 years ago. We had just invented duct tape.

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[-] stoly@lemmy.world 61 points 8 months ago

Ironically, Vietnam was Baby Boomers' avocado toast. Their parents were happy to keep shipping their children off to die so that politicians wouldn't look weak in front of the public. Remember that students were murdered at Kent State over daring to exercise their First Amendment rights.

Somehow those people STILL, as a generation, became gigantic shitbags who destroyed the world for their own personal gratification.

[-] FraidyBear@lemmy.world 58 points 8 months ago

Heard a comedian crack a joke about that. Went something like, "well all the cool Boomers died of drugs or AIDS so now we're stuck with the hall monitors of the generation."

Hits a little to hard sometimes lol

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[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 57 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

A lot of boomers dont realize they lost the Vietnam war.

My dad was shocked to learn that the communists won, when I told him a couple years ago.

[-] Flumpkin@slrpnk.net 39 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

My dad was shocked to learn that the communists won

Even that is distorted - the Vietnamese people won under incredible hardship. Simple farmers, hundreds of thousands simply refused to bow to imperialist rule. They were helped, but they did the fighting.

But you can also argue that the US did "win" the war or at least their objectives. The objective was to stop the domino effect of socialism and they absolutely brutally devastated Vietnam for many decades. And that was their objective, to punish anyone who dares to redistribute wealth.

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 52 points 8 months ago

Judging by US politics nowadays and their behaviour in regards to both Israel's genocide in Gaza and Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the average boomer would've sided with the Nazis.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That's because they collectively have the political intelligence of a concussed pigeon.

They go on and on about freedoms and their freedoms and their freedoms to have guns and in the next sentence endorse Trump a man who if he had his way would invite fascism into the country. Presumably their guns would be taken off them at that point. Since fascism with an armed population rarely works out.

But none of them realize this because that's like three steps down the line, and they're still struggling to think about step one.

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[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The military industrial complex won. People suspect it's why JFK was assassinated. He was ready to go public with the conspiracy. Nowadays we just accept that the military industrial complex runs shit lol

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 30 points 8 months ago

Today’s youth are fighting in Ukraine just fine. She probably thinks it’s character forming, having never once done anything remotely like that herself.

[-] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

ok but seriously

how to open PDF??

[-] CameronDev@programming.dev 40 points 8 months ago
[-] Wild_Mastic@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Why you're asking me to reboot the computer?

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[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 27 points 8 months ago

USA won, duh, just like they won the war on terror in Afghanistan!

[-] pachrist@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago

We absolutely won the war on terror in Afghanistan.

Osama bin Laden tried to show that he was the scariest terrorist, and the US military took that personally and wasn't willing to give up the crown. So, for a decade before his death, and a decade after, we spent trillions of dollars to make sure that a bunch of nice, lovely shepherds would shit themselves with fear if they're at a wedding or funeral and hear the sound of an airplane in the distance.

The goal was to make the most terror right? Did I move the goalposts enough that the US still wins?

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 26 points 8 months ago

The goal was to make the most terror right?

One might even say we were the terrorest

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 21 points 8 months ago

And the war on drugs!

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[-] OttoVonNoob@lemmy.ca 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Could of named Desert Storm? Or is that Gen X? Ether way older folks have been labeling the next generation as inept since the beginning of time but were still here long after they die.

[-] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 14 points 8 months ago

Could have**

Yes this is always the way. We will all tell our kids we walked to school uphill both ways in the snow until forever. Hopefully they all still go to school.

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[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 13 points 8 months ago

Some tail end boomers may have fought in Desert Storm but that’s primarily Gen X.

Then millennials took over since then, and Gen Z joined us in the last decade.

The Boomers had Vietnam … and I guess thought it was so fun they decided to make it worse for all their kids and grandkids

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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 24 points 8 months ago

Why do people say zoomers are super liberal?

Look at music now; it’s materialistic and conformity. The punk scene is a minority, rap being about the struggles of life is a minority

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 41 points 8 months ago

Zoomers lean more left than previous generations, in larger quantities and as a percentage, even including increased far-right zoomers as compared to previous generations.

Modern pop music being materialistic and conformist is just the music industry, there's tons of anticapitalist modern punk if you look for it.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago

Since when do musical lyrics irrevocably dictate political party affiliation?

This isn't a binary choice.

By your standards those that listen to country music would actually give a shit about this country and their fellow person while driving trucks and drinking beer. They only get the last two.

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[-] sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 27 points 8 months ago

That's because people figured out a formula to make the most widely accessible and profitable music possible. Its a process that isn't exclusive to music or gen z, and I fail to see how its relevant.

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[-] theodewere@kbin.social 21 points 8 months ago

nobody can imagine Boomers doing anything selfless, and neither can the Boomers

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