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So far, I have to say that my #KDE #Plasma6 experience sucks. (social.vivaldi.net)

submitted 8 months ago by MylesRyden@social.vivaldi.net to c/kde@lemmy.kde.social

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So far, I have to say that my #KDE #Plasma6 experience sucks.

The theme I was using doesn't work. The icons all suck. EventCalendar, which was synced to my Google calendar is dead. Vivaldi looks like crap. The panel at the bottom of my screen is floating up probably 100 pixels, leaving useless space below it, I can't find a way to sink it to the actual bottom of the screen. I had increased all my font sizes because my eyes are bad, they have all shrunk and changing the font sizes and the interface percentage doesn't fix it.

So far, not a happy experience @kde

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[-] Bro666@lemmy.kde.social 33 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Two of these are not KDE issues. The themes you are using don't work because the authors didn't port them, like we asked third party developers do... twice. Same goes for the calendar widget you are using. Go bug em, champ.

KDE cannot be held responsible for third party add-ons, but, for everything else: https://bugs.kde.org

[-] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 10 points 8 months ago

Also gotta keep in mind this is a major release. It's allowed to break stuff, and the very first release is bound to have some bugs. We're far into the Plasma 5 lifetime, a lot of the quirks have been ironed out.

It literally just came out, of course a lot of things haven't been updated for it yet. Most people's distros don't even have it yet, addon authors don't even know their addons are broken yet.

[-] Fleppensteijn@feddit.nl 2 points 8 months ago

How's an average user supposed to know? I get updates almost every day and yeah there were a lot of packages last time but I didn't realize it was a "major" release

[-] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 5 points 8 months ago

What distro?

You really shouldn't have 6.0 unless you're on a rolling distro that's very fast at updating packages. Even Arch doesn't have 6.0 in the main repos yet, you only get it if you enable the testing repos. And that's kind of what you sign up for with rolling distros, especially with testing repos enabled.

[-] diazona@techhub.social 1 points 8 months ago

@Fleppensteijn @Max_P The change in the first component of the version number from 5 to 6 is what could have tipped you off. I mean, admittedly there's no universal standard for software versioning that everyone follows, but the closest thing there is to a commonly adopted standard (https://semver.org/) says that when the first component of the version number changes, it's a big deal and things might break. (Or, a relatively big deal, but just how big that is in practice depends on the package.) If you didn't know to look out for that, now you do. 😀

Unless by "average user" you mean someone who relies on automatic updates and doesn't look at what's getting installed. Which is fine, but if you're allowing automatic updates, you have to understand you're giving up the ability to catch stuff like this before it happens. (This situation could certainly be improved, but generally that's the state of things right now.)

[-] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 1 points 8 months ago

The average user shouldn't have it, only some rolling distros have it so far, and KDE Neon for obvious reasons. Even Arch doesn't have it in the main repos yet.

[-] Bro666@lemmy.kde.social 1 points 8 months ago

Well, yes. Lots of minor annoyance are popping up, most are being easily solved, so there will be a lot of minor updates over the next few weeks. 6.0.1 will be out in 6 days and a lot of the stuff annoying the early adopters will go away then.

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 3 points 8 months ago

So first please conver that post into a list so people can easily refer to issues.

Port the theme or ask the creator or the community
Not constructive feedback
Never heard of that, please elaborate.
Not a KDE bug? Like not at all. Are you on Manjaro?
Right click on the panel and go to edit mode. This is literally a single button press, thanks to Niccolo and more awesome people. I agree that float is annoying but this is KDE, just change it.
how doesnt that fix it? I am 100% sure you can increase font size or overall scale percentage in the settings.

[-] Fleppensteijn@feddit.nl 1 points 8 months ago

People really don't like to hear bad experiences, judging by the downvotes. But I agree it's a really bad upgrade and it's not ready for use at all.

My experience with Plasma6 upgrade:

A new, but empty, floating panel was installed and my existing panels all got mangled up so I had to delete everything and make a new panel
SDDM doesn't use my selected theme and displays a huge virtual keyboard that blocks half the screen (changing themes doesn't help)
Icons are broken and ugly (changing icon sets didn't help me), mainly because "missing" icons are replaced by black icons on a black background
Kvantum doesn't work, so I can't use my theme
Conky always stays on top and breaks the desktop
The screen goes on standby while watching movies
Win+Tab to get grid view no longer works
Terminal shows squares instead of unicode symbols
Shutdown/reboot/log off no longer works from the start menu, I have to manually run sudo shutdown
Scrollbar behavior got broken (at least this is fixed with a setting)
It's trying to set Wayland to standard even though it still doesn't work
Animations don't work anymore
Hovering over a start menu entry (to open a menu) also opens a "plasmashell <2>" on the taskbar

Don't upgrade if you haven't already.

[-] MylesRyden@social.vivaldi.net 2 points 8 months ago

@Fleppensteijn

I would agree with with many of the issues you have experienced here. Nothing personal, but I am kinda glad, I thought I was going crazy and was the only one having these issues.

Totally agree on the shutdown, etc.

Biggest thing that is broken for me is simple window management. If I have two apps on a desktop, clicking on the the bottom one doesn't raise it to the top. If I open a context menu (for example, right clicking on a link in the browser) the menu opens UNDER the browser.

On my machine, 6 is not ready for prime time. And I have no idea how to categorize things to try and report the bugs. Could be Wayland issues, but I can't figure out how to start a Plasma 6 session in X11 to see if the problems go away. Maybe my window issues are a result of using Activities (which apparently no one else does) but I don't want to shut all that down.

I've decided to (re-)install Kubuntu to go back to 5.27 and hopefully come back when 6 is actually ready.

[-] anarchotaoist@links.hackliberty.org 1 points 8 months ago

Ok, wow! Kvantum and sddm not working are bad enough apart from the rest! I will stick with Kubuntu for now. Thanks for the report!

[-] Fleppensteijn@feddit.nl 2 points 8 months ago

You can compile Kvantum yourself with some cmake flag, that's how I got it working. Some things look a little different and blur effect doesn't work. So yeah, not really ready.

[-] GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

Was the icon debacle fixed or did they stay the same?

[-] SigHunter@feddit.de 2 points 8 months ago

Can you elaborate?

[-] GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

One or two months ago the new icons were released. They are inconsistent. Some were filled, some were lines, some colored, etc. It looked really bad.

[-] Vishnu2jd@mastodon.social 0 points 8 months ago

@MylesRyden @kde

Did @kde read this post before boosting?

[-] richardisaguy@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This is a lemmy post, not a mastodon toot

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