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[-] Lord_McAlister@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

...... I mean there are dumber things to say.

[-] JakeHimself@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 year ago

The US healthcare system is the best healthcare system ever created

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

In terms of technological advances, or maximizing wellness of the maximum people?

People of wealth travel from all over the world for access to the cutting edge techniques and treatments found in US institutions like mayo clinic and John Hopkins.

The problem is the cost and access is very uneven.

[-] halvar@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, I would say that makes it bad.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Depends. Everything is a shade of gray.

The advances they come from this system spread across the world. Obviously it isn't the only way advances are made, and it doesn't justify the exploitation, but the world certainly benefits from American healthcare research. (Again not implying important advances only come from America)

[-] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

mayo clinic

I would not go to a practice named after mayonnaise

[-] simplecyphers@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Best for who? Depending on your answer, you are unequivocally right.

[-] Clent@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

If you equate most profitable with best, you may be a capitalist.

[-] Chemish@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

Some days I'm glad that I jumped ship from Reddit, and some days I realize that this is the alternative.

[-] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah honestly didn't expect literal communists

[-] KTVX94@lemmy.myserv.one 28 points 1 year ago

So what's the best one then? Communism/ socialism didn't do very hot either. Unless there's been some obscure, ancient economic system that I'm not aware of, there hasn't been a non-theoretical economic system that's been better than capitalism yet, as flawed as it is.

I get there's abundant evidence of the issues of the current system and the degenerate strategies it allows, but "capitalism bad haha" is getting stale.

[-] Lordbaum@mander.xyz 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean socialism has and dose worked for millions of people. Imho The two main points of failure are imperialistic states like USSR and USA the second thing is authoritarian systems trying to force socialism (often it is just State-capitalism) on to the working class.

[-] Microw@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Mercantlism.

Yes, it's considered "proto-Capitalism", but its very distinct from how Capitalism is implemented in most countries nowadays.

There are dozens of economic models and theories that mix ideas of capitalism and communism.

[-] KTVX94@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 1 year ago

I should look into it. Truth be told, there's no pure capitalism or socialism. It's really a bunch of economic sliders different countries balance more towards one side or the other throughout history. What I meant to say is A) systems that lean enough towards capitalism are the more successful even if they're far from perfect and B) The way people throw around the "capitalism bad" idea just like that doesn't help in any way and I'm tired of it. It's a mix of raw frustration and copypasting of ideas without any real substance.

[-] wtry@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Most of the reason socialism didn't do well is because the United States overthrew socialist countries that elected socialism and replaced them with capitalist dictators.

[-] Farvana@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

All you folks who downvoted this post, find me a communist country that the US didn't try to coup

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

There's a lot of things you obviously aren't aware of. Socialism is very successful across the board. The thing is, you are conflating leninists, or state communism with all communism and socialism. Which is wrong. But expected of someone educated especially in the United States and possibly other Western countries.

It might even surprise you to learn that a large swath of communist and socialists are often anti-state. There are communes all over the world that have been running successfully for a long time. You don't hear much about them simply because there isn't much to radicalize people against them with. If anything you hear people ridiculing them but little else.

[-] KTVX94@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 1 year ago

Fail to guess where I live: check

Fail to provide actual, concrete examples backed with evidence: check

Condescending: check

Cool story, bro

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

The true irony of it is that you're guilty of everything you accuse. Could you give an any concrete evidence etc. Maybe you would have earned some in return. Either way have a good day.

[-] Belgdore@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

The dumbest man says capitalism is the best possible economic system. This guy is right if he’s referring to global economic systems, because it’s been the only global economic system.

[-] JakeHimself@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

What would another global economic system even look like? Can it even be something else?

[-] Belgdore@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

That is the real question. Communism is the main competition. We could try something in between like syndicalism, or some other version of socialism. But everything is theory because we’ve never tried a different system.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Communism could only work if everyone, seemingly under some hypnosis, all decided to discard wealth and possession and status and everything, all at once.

If any meaningful fraction of the population retains capitalism, the influence of personal gain would override, as it has in the past.

[-] halvar@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Global feudalism would be kinda weird, but theoretically it's possible.

Theoretically? It's already happened. It was the dominant economic system across the world for a while including during the colonization of north America. It was fudalists who conquered large parts of the world. International trade is older than capitalism.

[-] spacesweedkid27@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Me irl watching this comment section in flames.

[-] halvar@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

As far as I know even Marx said so.

[-] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Marxists aren't, or shouldn't be, dogmatic. It's the method that they uphold. Plus, Marx didn't live to see the USSR, China, Cuba, etc, so it's not possible to know whether he would maintain that position (taking your claim at face value).

[-] halvar@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Marx stated, that capitalism is a necessary step in the evolution of economy, and is better than anything before it and worse than communism. So the real question is whether he would have considered the aformentioned countries as ones that achived communism.

[-] snaf@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

Depends on the context. Maybe he means best at making lines go up??

[-] strawberry@artemis.camp 3 points 1 year ago

thats all that matters right? /s

[-] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

SOCIAL MARKETS GOOO

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