I wish people would stop trying to unironically apply revolutionary thinking to every little faucet of life. You end up looking like an insane Maoist at worst, and an annoying brat at best

The idea that either answer is the correct one from a socialist perspective is completely missing the issue.

(*I'm not directing this at anyone specific here, just about these kind of debates in general)

You assume the worst about people or only think in your own terms because you live in a society that is not only ruthlessly individualist, but actively pits you against everyone else.

You don't know and have some sort of mutual relationship with your neighbours because this hyper capitalist society has deliberately destroyed any sense of society and worked to dismantle communities.

The fact that you're working exhausted working two jobs, or some people work day shifts, others nights, others early mornings is because you're forced to by exploitative capital that has no interest in tailoring work to human need or paying a survivable wage.

If you're only emotional interaction with someone next door is when their noise irritates you or their actions seem to impinge on your ease of life, of course that breeds hostility.

But what if housing and architecture was built to have communal and public social space, with private spaces being that and utilising things like soundproofing and proper insulation? Instead of trying to cram as many paper-thin 'luxury' shoeboxes into a space to maximise absurd profits without the whole thing (hopefully, usually) collapsing or burning down?

What if you could make a decent living without having to work 12hour shifts, or two jobs, or nights? Then you'd probably be at that party, ideally in some communal space. Perhaps the party could be at an appropriate venue like a club instead of the flat, that would be affordable, and still exist instead of being killed by capital building overpriced luxury shoeboxes next to it, using the nightlife as a selling tactic, and then getting the owners who bought the flats as investments to petition the council to shut down the venues.

And perhaps people could choose where they wanted to live, have options that suited different lifestyles and preferences, be able to move jobs or careers. Instead of having to live in these sprawling banlieues of almost unaffordable but barely functional worker housing in order to live within commuting distance of economies centred entirely around tiny enclaves of the ultra wealthy capital class.

That reality might not be tomorrow, but it's possible.

Which neighbour is right isn't even a struggle session. It's just happily shit-flinging in service of capital's ongoing divide and conquer strategy, while refusing to even look at the real issue. And doing it on Twitter as though it's the most serious political question of our time only makes you, and the ideology you claim to prescribe to, look fucking idiotic.

Stop fucking arguing online and talk to your neighbour. Ideally start a tenant's group or something, but honestly just introducing yourself and giving them some banana bread or some shit would be a million times more useful than yelling on Twitter.

I hate to be the centrist guy... but...

Yeah there are people who are too loud but then there's also people who will call the fucking cops if a cricket crips too loudly at the moon, not cuz it's actually bothering them but because they view not being able to 100% control their surroundings as an affront to their existence.

I've seen boomers flip shit over someone have a 5 person BBQ where they weren't even playing music, but someone laughed a bit too loud at a joke past sundown, THE HUMANITY!

Also if you live in a city I think you're implicitly consenting to having some noise going on at weird hours of the day. Sorry you can't live downtown and not have to deal with the occasional block party going on past 9pm, get a fucking white noise machine asshole.

Nothing yells my-hedonism-uber-alles than blasting music to your kkkolonizers neighbours who were finally able to sleep their krakerling crotch-spawn

The bourgeois pig is the developer who colludes with contractors to put no sound insulation in the walls.

For hundreds of years you could just fill the wall with dirt, and it would make great soundproofing. This is what they stole from you.

common decency is not revolutionary praxis, being an asshole is not revolutionary praxis

NEITHER OF YOU ARE LENIN SHUT THE FUCK UP

im a centrist, i think your dickhead neighbors should be allowed a few loud parties & fireworks when appropriate, the more reasonable party in noise complaints is not automatically the one trying to sleep.

i also think people blaring music unreasonably loud for themself & pulling shit like turning it up when someone asks them to turn it down should be given wedgies by the state

This is even dumber than restaurant discourse

Under communism building code for apartments will also include mandatory soundproofing in all walls and floors

Love how they're trying to say you're suppressing the rights of the working class person living in the apartment as if their neighbor in the identical apartment next door trying to sleep is some rich guy slumming it for shits and giggles.

I must express myself at the cost of everything and everyone around me is an inherent individualist and bourgeoise approach to living. You could quite literally, host a party on weekends, listen to loud music during off-hours before 10pm, wear headphones, invite your neighbor to jam some music. A million thing to be done before...I must play really loud music during sleeping hours.

how are you going to build communism when you can't even compromise with your neighbors. "Hey we want to have band practice on Thursdays and have a drum kit, is 10pm a good end time for you and would you like to come to our concert next month?" It's that easy. I think that some of the folks who start this discourse have little experience in close housing. When my neighbors are fucking I put in earplugs and go to sleep. I texted them a warning before I broke in my 1.5hp air compressor. Who cares.

Also, lots of people work night shifts, have babies, etc. We can't be be quiet 24/7 to accommodate all possible schedules; you have to talk to your neighbors to see what the individual situation is.

as someone who is habitually nocturnal and partially deaf, so louder than most even when I'm trying to be quiet, both sides are equally right and wrong.

All that I know is that I hate how annoyingly and continuously loud my neighbors are but I wouldn't call the cops about it.

I'm generally very quiet.

My contribution to the discourse is that I dont think there should be inherently different standards for parties and single people when it comes to noise like this.

Whatever the standard is, you should basically get to do the same stuff if you are just alone in your apartment trying to let loose a little as if you have gotten a party together.

People squished together in substandard housing have only themselves to blame if they can neither enjoy the comfort of music and companionship nor sleep soundly. They should simply purchase large ranch-style homes in the exurbs, where the luxury of space affords them both privacy and social opportunity.

Actually Im gonna contribute one more thing here, there seems to be a lot of people who are talking about housing as a very easy thing to pick and choose where you live, are there a lot of places in America that dont have housing crisises but where its actually just pretty easy to find the exact housing you would want to have?

For reference the housing situation I have in my head is you either register yourself to a digital queue where you get 1 point a day and have to compete with others for housing based on which applicant has the highest queue points for each listing, and if you get housing through this your queue points are reset so you have to either wait again or trade directly with someone for a new place, or you rent second hand from pure shitheads.

Respecting your neighbours is important, but also realising that you're all stuck in a shit situation unable to fully meet your biological and psychological requirements and how that will manifest in awful annoying ways is also important. Not saying it ain't annoying, but it's an inevitability given the material conditions.

I live in a very segregated city, but the upside is that all the neighbors are loud and we're all OK with it. the whole complex smells amazing every weekend and there's nearly always somewhere to dance. i'm trying to be sympathetic to people with sound sensitivities, but i was raised around loud people that party all the time. that's what life is supposed to be like. the only problem is that the white neighborhoods end up full of nazis, so we can't actually do the cultural enclave thing that would give them the unnatural peace and quiet that they're looking for.