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Outrage over killing of Ryan Gainer, shot three times on Saturday, as sheriff denounced for defending deputies’ use of lethal force

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[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 49 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think shooting someone trying to attack you with a hoe generally counts as self-defense, but I don't understand why

“The use of a Taser in this situation with the amount of time or the use of pepper-spray would not have been something we would have been able to react to quick enough. Ultimately we have to stop this problem … law enforcement officers are not required to be hit over the head with something. What happens when they get incapacitated? … The deputies followed through with what their training protocols are.”

This seems like exactly the situation tasers are meant for. Even if attempting to use a taser would have been riskier for the deputies, IMO accepting a reasonable amount of risk is part of their job. "Take the risk of confronting an aggressive teenager, but not the further risk of attempting to subdue him non-lethally" isn't where I would have the line drawn.

[-] ReallyKinda@kbin.social 15 points 8 months ago

That statement also admits that this is in line with protocol, Idk who in their right mind would call a protocol acceptable where 3 guys show up to a distress call with guns and can’t manage to deescalate one kid with a hoe without loss of life.

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

The question I'm asking is:

Why is there no time for a taser or pepper spray? Those should release just as quickly and easily as a firearm. Moreover, I'm rather confident I could take someone coming at me with a gardening tool, and I'm no police officer. Sure, don't risk a physical altercation, though at what point did that situation warrant the use of a firearm?

And a taser holds little real risk for the officer firing it. Hell, even a gun can have issues.

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

But in your first sentence you clarified this is okay. No change will happen until you, and every other American, change that thinking.

You don’t understand why a cop killed a kid in a country that will do backflips in order to find justification for said violence?

It’s only one small step from advocacy of a taser to advocacy of a gun.

[-] johnlobo@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

american cop is such a wuss, southeastasian cop handle crazy machete guy without even touching their gun.

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

This is a tragic story and I'm against police brutality as much as anyone, but it feels a little sensationalist to word a news article title this way. "Holding a gardening tool" makes me picture someone who was just minding his own business and planting flowers, but a quick google search shows him trying to attack the officers with a garden hoe.

Shame on The Guardian for muddying the waters to try to farm clicks from a terrible situation.

[-] blackbirdbiryani@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

Yet almost every other police force in the world would've handled this without shooting him...

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Agreed. It's a serious problem, but the discussion gets so muddied by websites with low integrity running headlines that are intentionally dishonest, just for clicks. They know they'll get more outrage and $$ by wording it this way, and it's gross behavior.

How many people across the web do you think saw this headline and assumed, like I did before looking into it, that this was another case of police mistaking some harmless object for a gun? Probably lots.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

Glad to see TPM’s got reasonable takes :)

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Thanks. It's rare that I even comment on stuff that I know is going to be a divisive topic, because people get so worked up and it's hard to have a human conversation.

[-] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

It was a hula hoe - basically a stick. It was not the kind of hoe with a blade. They killed a kid that they knew was in a mental health crisis for running at them with a stick.

They could have tackled him. They could have tased him. They could have pepper sprayed him. They could have tried entering the home more gently and used de-escalation practices like most medical professionals use. If a patient in crisis picks up an IV pole and threatens hospital workers with it, their response is not to shoot the patient three times.

This is an American cop problem, period.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago
[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 months ago
[-] ParetoOptimalDev@lemmy.today 4 points 8 months ago

1st frame should be back up and get ready to taze.

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