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Israel’s Brutality Is Increasing—and So Is Its Denialism (www.thenation.com)

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A human rights monitor documented the sniping of at least 13 children in and around Shifa Hospital, all between the ages of 4 and 16.

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[-] Endorkend@kbin.social 113 points 7 months ago

The chokehold Israeli Intelligence / Propaganda wing has on reddits worldnews subreddit is freakin depressing (and scary in how total it is).

Post anything even remotely critical to anything Israel did and within minutes you'll have a dozen downvotes and people outright warping reality in their response to you, all on relatively recent accounts that only ever respond to posts related to Israel. They aren't subtle about it in the slightest.

And stories like them murdering foreign aid workers on purpose just get magicked away.

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 65 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Israel has an app that's used to target various sites etc. with propaganda. It has various material for people to post, guides on how to post/sign up to platforms, premade memes, etc. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Caelan Conrad (I believe) used to have a video up on the subject, where they used and walked through the app, but it's mysteriously gone missing. Act.il's own YouTube channel remains, though.

[-] ad_on_is@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

TIL, why my comments get downvoted. At this point, I'm not even mad.

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[-] anlumo@lemmy.world 67 points 7 months ago

I don’t want to know what it does to a society when casually sniping 4 year olds is completely ok and accepted. After Gaza is razed, all of these soldiers will return as heroes, but will they be able to stop their habits?

[-] zib@kbin.melroy.org 36 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'm beginning to think many of them joined up specifically for the the purpose of slaughtering children. It feels like they've even dropped the pretense of all Palestinians being Hamas - at least I don't hear them making that excuse all that much anymore. They seem to just enjoy the killing.

EDIT: Apparently military service in Israel is mandatory. I guess murdering Palestinian children en masse is just a bonus.

[-] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

I’m not excusing any of their actions, because I’m genuinely horrified by Israel’s conduct, but the IDF is a conscripted military force. Every Israeli, excluding some ultra-orthodox extremists who get a controversial religious exemption, is required to serve a certain amount of time in the military after they turn 18. There are alternative public service options for conscientious objectors, but most 18 year olds end up with a rifle in their hand. That’s pretty fucked up if you ask me.

That means the majority of the soldiers perpetrating these atrocities are basically children themselves. They didn’t join so they could do a genocide, they joined because they had to, and are doing a genocide. I’m sure some of them are sick fuckers who enjoy it, but most are probably just following despicable, immoral, unforgivable orders from superiors. That’s not a justification, just an unfortunate likelihood.

That said, yes, it does seem like they’ve dropped the pretense.

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[-] Haggunenons@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

I'm pretty sure that in Israel, joining the military is not a choice.

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[-] RemoveEgoDivineFreedom@lemmy.world 49 points 7 months ago

Fuck Israel. Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 48 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

This is what unchecked conservatism looks like. Genocide.

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[-] Cossty@lemmy.world 46 points 7 months ago

I can't imagine being a person who sees 4 year old kid in a scope and just shoots them...

Like. .. what goes through their head...do they have their own kids.... what they do in their free time...

I just cant imagine person like that.

[-] repungnant_canary@lemmy.world 32 points 7 months ago

At this point I'm afraid we can look at Nazis (oh the irony...) to understand those Israelis. The similarities of soulless brutality are pretty obvious...

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[-] xanu@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago

Listen to how a large portion (obviously not all) Israelis talk about Palestinians. They genuinely do not view them as humans and certainly do not value their lives. They speak of the ongoing genocide with gleeful anticipation. People will literally go to the border to taunt Palestinian parents who've lost their children or the orphans themselves.

They're not shooting a 4 year old kid, they're simply shooting another "worthless" Palestinian. This way of thinking was and is specifically crafted to enable almost every genocide that has ever happened.

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[-] wahming 32 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'd like to know who's downvoting this, besides the state trolls

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 50 points 7 months ago

There's a small but angry and vocal contingent of Israel supporters around here. The other day one got mad at me because I said the IDF's report of killing 200 terrorists in the hospital in Gaza was bullshit and it was bullshit specifically because it came from the IDF and you can't trust a word they say.

[-] Boiglenoight@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

I was in a gas station around UNC Chapel Hill of all places standing in line behind a couple younger guys who were saying insane things about how Palestine’s not a real state, they’re just migrant squatters and seemed to mock anyone hurt or killed that opposed Israel. They reminded me of ‘Murican’s talking about how strong and right America is, but from the Jewish perspective with Israel in its stead.

It’s hard to describe how sickening it was to hear. And they’re like, 20.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago

I take issue with something you said-

They reminded me of ‘Murican’s talking about how strong and right America is, but from the Jewish perspective with Israel in its stead.

I am Jewish. I do not have that perspective. A large number of Jews do not have that perspective and do not support Israel or its genocide. Many of us also advocate for Palestinian independence and an end to apartheid.

https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

[-] Boiglenoight@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

Please don’t take it as all Jews just as American morons don’t represent all Americans. My apology, I thought that was obvious.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

No worries, I just wanted to clarify just in case.

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[-] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 7 months ago

Just screw them. As long as people can read it’s that’s what matters.

Though I’m always a bit conflicted about upvote/ liking. I usually upvote something that, I like. But I don’t like this, I truly hate reading this kind of stuff. It’s horrifying and I wish it would stop.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago

I upvote for visibility. The more awareness, the more pressure from public opinion.

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago

This stopped being a war and started being a genocide at some point, but the government and media just won't say it and I'm tired of it.

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