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China has sharply ramped up its production of cheap electric vehicles, solar panels, and batteries just as the Biden administration has pushed through legislation supporting many of those same industries in the United States. ⠀

Chinese automaker BYD had recently introduced an electric SUV at the "astonishingly low" price of $14,000. China's auto industry poses an "existential threat" to U.S. carmakers, the report argued. ⠀

After more than a decade of subsidizing its automakers, China has built a substantial car industry that accounts for 60% of global electric vehicle sales, according to the Paris-based International Energy Agency. ⠀

Yellen highlighted the Biden administration's concerns by recalling a visit a week earlier to Suniva, a solar cell manufacturer in Norcross, Georgia.

The company "was once forced to close down, like other companies across a number of industries, because it could not compete against large quantities of goods that China was exporting at artificially depressed prices," Yellen said. ⠀

China hasn't committed to any steps to address American concerns, arguing that its cheap solar panels and other green products are helping the world wage the costly battle against climate change.

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[-] Pascal@lemdro.id 74 points 1 year ago

China hasn’t committed to any steps to address American concerns, arguing that its cheap solar panels and other green products are helping the world wage the costly battle against climate change.

Based. Pay no attention to the shit the US government says.

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago

It helps wage the war against climate change, cost of living, and inflation. Simultaneously. How spectacular.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

But America is worlds #1 oil producer. This is horrible for the shareholders.

[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 56 points 1 year ago

Yes, green technology, bUt At WhAt CoSt? (US losing hegemony is the cost)

[-] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 44 points 1 year ago

Oh no! We didn’t get on board and now we are falling behind.

If it isn’t the consequences of our own actions

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

GOOD. The US has practically raped the entire world. It’s time we pay, all of us.

[-] Jakdracula@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

I have no problem with this, I’d buy a Chinese Ev today if they were available.

[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Have you seen the new Xiaomi SU7? Holy crap, that thing looks nice!

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

It's actually absurd how the Xiaomi SU7 can sell for the same price as a decent Camry.

[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

And designed by an ex Porsche designer

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Is that why it takes so many design cues from the Taycan? Makes sense actually...

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Whoa, pretty impressive for the price.

[-] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 year ago

I bought a MG4, I'm extremely happy with this car and I hope the arrival of Chinese EV will lower the price of all EVs.

[-] SuperZorro@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

I'm getting my xpeng g9 in 2 weeks.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

I love how threatened the American capitalist class is about competition.

[-] exanime@lemmy.today 24 points 1 year ago

Makes sense... The only version of capitalism that works is government protected monopolies for a few... The only competitive strategy they know is lobbying

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 38 points 1 year ago

This reminds me of the shift in the car market when Japanese cars entered the market after the Oil Crisis. American auto makers, used to building unreliable land yachts, couldn't adapt fast enough. Now we have American car makers building electric land yachts that people can't afford, and are threatened by cheaper foreign cars.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

But unlike Japan, they can't force China into Plaza Accord and are panicking.

[-] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

I am not sure i fully understand the issue. Are the cars and solar panels not good? Or is the issue that american car companies can't compete? Because the latter is not really an issue.

[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Arnaud Bertrand wrote a great article on this.

TL;DR: The 3 main signs of overcapacity (capacity utilization rates, inventory levels, and profit margins) for China are all at similar rates as the US, indicating they are not in overcapacity. And they aren't even selling them at a lower price abroad than at home to beat competition; it's the opposite. He concludes that China is simply getting too efficient at manufacturing these days and the US is starting to struggle to compete with that, and this is just them trying to convince China to slow down.

So yeah, the actual "issue" here does seem to just be that the US isn't able to compete with China in these fields anymore.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago

the actual "issue" here does seem to just be that the US isn't able to compete with China in these fields anymore.

That'll happen when you outsource all your manufacturing for a few decades in the pursuit of quick profits for wall street.

[-] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Then they can get fucked honestly. "Oh no I'm not winning in capitalism! Ban the competition! 🥺"

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago

Have you sat in a Chinese EV? They put US and European one to shame.

Chinese solar panels used to not be great, but today they're easily competitive with the best that US and European vendors have to offer but at a fraction of the cost.

[-] a1studmuffin@aussie.zone 11 points 1 year ago

The Xiaomi SU7 is a perfect example. Xiaomi took 3 years from concept to their very first car. That in itself is insanely impressive, let alone the fact it's a great EV with a tonne of self-driving capability to rival Tesla, and comes in far cheaper. Watch the YouTube video about Xiaomi's SU7 factory, it's very impressive.

Meanwhile Apple decided to pull the plug on their first car. It's pretty telling of the situation.

[-] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I have a xiaomi phone and I'm pretty impressed by their stuff. I have had zero issues and have had it for like 7 years.

[-] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I can't afford any car as i can't even afford getting a drivers license :(

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's literally that one calebcity skit where he keeps shooting scientists that are making groundbreaking inventions because it threatens his profits lol

https://youtu.be/bHD20FZouZw

[-] purahna@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago

The company “was once forced to close down, like other companies across a number of industries, because it could not compete against large quantities of goods that China was exporting at artificially depressed prices,” Yellen said.

regardless of what you think of him, Deng Xiaoping was the guy in a way that pretty much no other human is gonna be for the unfolding of the 21st century

[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Yes and no. Deng was definitely a strong advocate for market reforms. However, if you ask any Chinese economist from that era they would say reform was inevitable.

Also the strategies Deng advocated for were similar to the failed shock therapy programs that Eastern European countries underwent following the collapse of the USSR. In doing so he risked the stability of the Chinese economy.

That said, he also helped keep political control out of capitalist hands. That allowed China to course correct when some of their reforms induced economic instability.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Oh I guess we don't care about stopping the climate crisis anymore, US oligarchs making money is clearly more important!

[-] ForgetPrimacy@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

artificially depressed prices They're pulling an Amazon? China hasn't committed to any steps to address American concerns And your problem with that is that this isn't a state approved campaign to destroy the American working class?

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