What should I do about carnist leftists? (lemmygrad.ml)

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A lot of leftists are marxist-leninist, anti-sexist, LGBT+ and anti-racist. BUT, they'll tell you the dumbest right-wing arguments to justify eating animals. I get that people aren't ideal, but when you are the urban middle class of the West, there's no excuse to not be vegan. Absolutely, no, excuse, to, murder, animals. Historical materialism lets me ok people from poor/oppressed backgrounds being carnist. I would never denounce a carnist in Gaza, but the Westerners have no any excuses to abuse animals.

I get that some people just have no will, I know people can be addicted. But at least DON'T BE A JERK to vegans. Some "leftists" post propaganda about veganism like YT videos that are literally funded by oil corporations. Some "leftists" are so toxic I'd rather have a conservative as my roommate than them.

The "leftists" lie all the time. Meat, dairy, eggs and honey are luxury products available mosty to those in the imperial core. The poor countries like India, Nigeria, Uganda and North Korea eat diets closest to veganism BECAUSE plant foods are the cheapest foods, not carnist subsidized McFood.

Dealing with leftists, especially online, is draining to me. How can I be productive as a leftist and not go insane? How can I cooperate with carnists to achieve the revolution? I see no easy solution here

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[-] GayBot@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago

ah yes the weekly ragebait post to ban people you disagree with when yall are bored

in all seriousness is there any capacity to critique veganism or at least some communists approach to it that is okay? I'm on board with it being an end goal and a arguable part of the intersectional movement, but at what point are some questions seen as hostile.

[-] StalinStan@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago

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[-] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago

How do you guys start eating vegan? Are there some easy meals I can start with so I can phase out any meat? I don't know how to cook is my issue :/

[-] dat_math@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago

I'm not trying to promote this channel, but they have some pretty accessible recipes

This one covers a lot of fundamentals that I use in other dishes

Have you ever made beans (dry, not canned)?

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[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 6 points 7 months ago

There are many ways! It's all up to how you would prefer to start! Many people begin as junk food vegans, eating prepared foods from restaurants and the freezer and refrigerated section (veggie/fake meat etc). Others use it as a reason to start cooking as well, for fun or to save time or money or because there's no ready-made alternative for their favorite food. And others focus on eating "healthier" at the same time, doing a mix of the above while also trying to change other food habits at the same time.

I personally recommend finding vegan food alternatives that hit similar flavor profiles to what you currently eat. For example, I used to really like cheese but most vegan cheeses are bad so instead I found salty + oily + savory foods that would scratch the same itch. Like nutritional yeast and oil on popcorn.

Sometimes direct substitutes can be good as well, though I recommend approaching them as their own similar food rather than a 1:1 taste replacement. A veggie burger (black bean or fake meat) will hit the same spot as a meat burger, IMO.

What are the kinda of foods you currently eat and would like vegan alternatives for? You probably want to cw them if it's specific meat references but I'm happy to suggest some ideas for how to replace them with easy meals.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago

You kind of just need to chill out. You can't control how people eat, and the more aggressive you are about demanding it, the less they'll listen anyway. You are experiencing acute upset by something that is probably not going to significantly change in your lifetime. I'm not saying that it isn't worth doing anything, but I am saying that you should try to find a way to compartmentalize your feelings. This will make things easier on you, and it will make you more approachable as a vegan. When someone wants to argue with you about it, respond with why you are vegan, rather than why they/everyone should be vegan.

I've been vegan for 24 years, and I've seen a lot of people go through a "vegan phase". A common characteristic I've noted among those who didn't last was anger. It isn't a sustainable emotion.

Anyway, I'm sorry if this offends you or someone else reading this, but it's the best advice I can give on how to reconcile your veganism with the world around you.

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