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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by Vitaly@feddit.uk to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

Even from people that never lived in a communist state

edit: im 17 and i hate communism

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
[-] Pollux@leminal.space 11 points 6 months ago

Ah yes wanting a better system not built on the capitalist exploitation of the working-class is "edgy"

Do you even know what you're talking about?

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[-] Sagittarii@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago

Sounds like you probably are

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago

It is a communist platform, you will find communists

[-] geissi@feddit.de 12 points 6 months ago

Communism is by definition a society without a state, so nobody has ever lived in a communist state and I doubt there has ever been a communist society in recorded history.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

Communism is by definition a society without a state, so nobody has ever lived in a communist state

The last stage of the Marxist evolution of communism involves the decay of state institutions through neglect, as they become redundant in a post-scarcity no-cops Utopia.

But there are a bunch of prior stages (including capitalist industrialization even!) that are neglected. And even then, the utopian end-game is routinely disputed by the subsequent generations of Leninists and Maoists who believe we will never truly escape the revolutionary cycle.

There absolutely are Already Existing Socialist states attempting to move themselves from primitive accumulation, through industrial capitalism, and into a collectively governed socialist post-scarcity society. And people absolutely are living in them. And none of them are Utopian (although the quality of life in many of these countries is exhaustively propagandized to be by degrees to be between Unbearably Hellish and FALGSC-adjacent).

The problems that these countries typically have, however, aren't ones that armchair communists on a niche western internet platform are capable of solving. You're not going to break the Cuban blockade. You're not going to settle the endless territorial disputes plaguing Vietnam. You're not going to undo the legacy of generations of apartheid in South Africa overnight. You're not going to Make the USSR Great Again.

So maybe save yourself some angst and stop trying to tell Nicholas Maduro and Kim Jung Un how to do their jobs. Maybe worry more about why your local chapter of the DSA can't get a teacher's union off the ground.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 months ago

Comminism isn't anarchic, Anarcho-Communism is. While it's true that Communism has never been reached, it isn't because government remained. The State in Marxian terms refers to the mechanisms by which one class oppresses the other, once class is abolished there need not be a state.

Communism was always meant to be a world republic.

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[-] sag@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

im 17

me too

i hate communism

I don't care about this type of stuff on Lemmy. I love Cat, Linux, FOSS and Game. Lemmy have all of them.

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[-] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

You're blaming communism for what is, like everything else, a people problem. It doesn't matter what system you're talking about, there's always bad actors and horrible people that you can point to and say "see? That's why it's bad!"

Also, you are 17 and only really have the knowledge that you have been taught, and minimal experience living in the larger world. Most everything far you have learned has been what others have wanted you to learn. Once you get into the real world for a decade or two and start experiencing a full life, your views will change.

Or you can resign yourself to a life in front of cable news and stay firmly locked into an opinion that others have given you.

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[-] tomatol@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

I haven't seen any communist propaganda at all but I've read many comments and posts like this... Are they just referring to leftwing content?

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