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cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/4453149

"Israel is not colonialism because the Ottoman empire kicked out the Jews"

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[-] AutomatedPossum@hexbear.net 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That reasoning is one tiny step removed from "there are no Native Americans, they moved there during the ice age" (actual line from an English teacher of mine btw) or "you can't do colonialism in Africa, all of humanity comes from there".

Let's not even begin on intra-Jewish racism against Mizrahi Jews in Israel.

[-] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

I love how anthropology is finally catching up to what indigenous Americans have been saying for generations, they have been here for centuries before the ice bridge, with evidence suggesting it’s been at least 20,000 years, likely closer to 30,000+.

[-] VictimOfAmerikkka@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Can you please share the link of this?

[-] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You can look up something like “pre-Clovis Indigenous Americans” to find better articles, but this is just from DuckDuckGo on the subject.

https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/the-1st-americans-were-not-who-we-thought-they-were

Image from the article:

I first read about it in Graeber and Wengrow’s The Dawn of Everything, but I’ve seen multiple new articles pop up since its publication.

[-] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago

but where [sic] expelled during Ottoman times

Just pulling stuff out of their ass entirely. I mean not only is this person wrong, but actually the opposite is true, many Jews left Europe for the much more tolerant and accepting Otttoman Empire.

[-] Sons_of_Ferrix@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

Where do these people think Palestinians came from? Mars?

[-] Iwishiwasntthisway@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

They are taught they are Arabians for Arabia. They think when Islam spread through the region they just killed everyone, even the women. They seem to conceive of all geopolitics and history in tribal terms.

[-] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago

Lord Balfour Explicitly gave his reasoning for supporting establishing a Jewish homeland in Palestine to prevent Jewish refugees from Czarist Russia from moving to Britain.

[-] duderium@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Time to recreate the Roman Empire I guess since modern Italians were expelled from their ancestral homeland millennia ago by ravening Brits (among others)

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

Except most of them are eastern European.

[-] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

No, you see, when they adopted Judaism it changed who their ancestors were and where they were born. It’s the only religion on earth that transmutes genealogy, and you have to respect that.

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

They didn't. When the iberian monarchs expelled the jews they mostly fled to Morocco, Netherlands, the Ottoman Empire and the colonies.

[-] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Where does he think the Jews Spain kicked out went?

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