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Every time Zionists call me an antisemite for speaking out against Israel (lemmy.ml)

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[+] LostXOR@fedia.io 156 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

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[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 60 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

And, as I've heard someone else point out - isn't it literally anti-Semitic to assume that Jews and Israelis are, like, the same thing? And/or that Israel is, like, the global mouthpiece for Jews everywhere? Seems a bit reductive, to me... Seems on the same level as thinking the leader of Kenya, or Nigeria, or any African nation speaks for Black people everywhere.

Netanyahu isn't the Emperor of Jews!

[-] olbaidiablo@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 years ago

Wouldn't it be more like "king of the Jews"? Btw, does anyone know where I can get a large cross and nails? Asking for a friend.

[-] lemonmelon@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Between the username and the shopping list, I believe we've got a Roman on our hands here...

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago

Romanes eunt domus!

[-] Agrivar@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

What's this, then? 'Romanes Eunt Domus'? 'People called Romanes they go the house'?

[-] archon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

Romans go home (?)

[-] Agrivar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

No, it doesn't. What's Latin for 'Roman'? Come on!

[-] Buttons@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I've always felt the nation of Israel is squatting on the name. Like, aren't there people outside of Israel-the-nation that also claim to be Israel (in the Biblical sense)?

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 38 points 2 years ago

Israel, the state, tries to conflate the two in order to have an impenetrable shield against all scrutiny.

"Jesus Christ, Israel, why are you playing soccer with dead babies?!"

"Excuse me? What, do you hate Jews or something? What, are you some kind of Nazi?"

[-] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 37 points 2 years ago

Israel has weaponized antisemitism, it's not even a secret and they admitted it a while back. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weaponization_of_antisemitism?wprov=sfla1

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[-] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 years ago

Being against, doesn't make you hateful anyway.

I am "against" religion as I think it does more harm than good but I am pro religious freedom for everyone and a peaceful cooperative global society. So I think that makes me hardly hateful towards religions or the believers. Well tbh I have a hard time accepting religious extremist positions in societies, but everything comes with a price... I take religious freedom for everyone if that means someone thinks a book with instructions on how to abort a baby is against abortion and that it should be law.

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

Most extremists are worrisome. Some cause more trouble for those around them than others, though. An extreme pacifist might get more abuse than someone who isn't, for instance, and that isn't great, but it's a more personal problem than trying to force your views and behaviors on others, which many other types of extremists try to do.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

An extreme pacifist might get more abuse than someone who isn't, for instance

Don't know whether I'd qualify as extreme, but yeah, pacifism tends to be equated with all sorts of deliberate harm by some people who consider things like war and violent retribution necessary evils if not even inherently good 😮‍💨

Also, there's the "sticking to your principles in spite of popular sentiment is the same as naïveté" crowd 🤦

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

I’m against the Israeli government’s murder of children and murder of all the other innocent people in Palestine.

Should I be against Israel itself?

Note I’m [US] American, so I’m against the incalculable harms we’ve perpetrated on the world and our own citizens over the past couple hundred years. I would hesitate - pending some replies to me here - to say “I don’t support the USA” given the very cool people and the Bernie Sanders types and the benevolent US aid organizations and the National Parks and so on (some fediverse developers)… but have an open mind and curious to hear your thoughts on semantics.

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago

At this point, when someone says they are 'against Israel', what they mean is that they are against the genocide the Israeli army is carrying out in Gaza. Maybe there are some who want the country itself toppled - neo-Nazis, for example, or those detached from reality - but they are a small minority (outside of Iran, perhaps).

[-] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Yes.

[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago

This reminds me of republicans in early 2000s equating bashing on the Iraq war with not supporting the troops.

[-] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago

Fuck them genocidal fascist troops

[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago

Yup. And there's also a HUGE difference between being anti-Semitic and just being against genocide. And our "news media" is determined to deliberately conflate the two.