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[-] jet@hackertalks.com 63 points 1 year ago

Yes there is FUD around signal. But they are not offering any better solutions.

Signal has some structural issues, and isn't a good solution for all threat models (i.e. if your a government who doesn't fully trust the USA, then signal isn't for you)

Any conversation that doesn't talk about briar, simplex, etc is deeply flawed since only they attempt to address the fundamental structural issues with signal.

Don't use that centralized chat service, use THIS centralized chat service - is just FUD... and isn't a helpful conversation.

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Don't use a centralized chat service. Use a decentralized chat service. XMPP uses the same encryption for it's e2e encryption, is decentralized, and super light weight for both the server and the client.

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 37 points 1 year ago

And "super easy" to use. To get your friend onto it, first you have to host a server, then they have to install a client with an interface from the 90s, activate the XEPs for encryption on their client and ensure the server supports it too, exchange usernames, create an encrypted connection and exchange random codes over another medium to ensure you're talking to the right person.

NOW you can start chatting with the other person and hope the server doesn't crash. ECPC

Anti Commercial-AI license

[-] drwho@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

XMPP is nice, but OMEMO is brittle.

[-] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago

Haven't ran into issues with it yet, and this is my preferred PM method. When does it break?

[-] drwho@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

One account, multiple devices logging into it (in my use case, personal laptop, work laptop, two phones).

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Or, you can skip the unhinged rant, use monocles or dino, and a public server.

Also, hosting a server is much simpler than something like matrix. You can host an xmpp server on a pi and that is more than enough. Or, just use a public server.

So difficult.

I like how you included steps that absolutely aren't required and haven't been for like a decade to make your statement more hyperbolic.

[-] Scolding0513@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

the best answer

[-] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

Telegram isnt really e2ee so he wants to champion the less secure option. Gee, I wonder why?????

[-] Rose@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Its Russian founder recently praised Musk in an interview for Tucker Carlson.

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Is narcissistic disorder a prereq to be a billionaire or is it just a common symptom of having too much wealth for some.

[-] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah sort of. I think those types of disorders get rewarded in many cases. It's exceptionally profitable to exploit labor, mislead the public, and plunder the planet. When you have a conscience and empathy, that's a lot harder to do, especially if you already enjoy a certain level of financial security.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 37 points 1 year ago

I don't think it has anything to do with the "right wingers." I think many people and governments seek to discredit anything they can not control. Its basic misinformation tactics.

As far as Elon goes, he says crazy things and shouldn't be believed.

[-] drwho@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They do this periodically. We saw it during Occupy, the Arab Spring, BLM, now Palestine (again). As a general rule, when folks go into the streets, the tighty righties start up the FUD.

There is a reason why spooks learn tradecraft - threat modeling, procedures, awareness, and techniques - more than they learn technology. It would behoove folks to to learn a little about that before hitting up the appstore.

[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Talks about other people creating FUD, then links to a post asserting telegram is compromised without citing any sources about anything discussed in the post. ๐Ÿ™„ FUD indeed.

[-] theterrasque@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago

I'm not saying it's broken, but it has some design choices and functions that makes even Whatsapp a better choice for privacy minded people. Like rolling their own crypto and not having e2ee as default.

[-] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Anti-libre software, WhatsApp, bans us from proving it has E2EE, bans us from proving any of its claims and bans us from removing malicious source code.

[-] autonomoususer@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Telegram is Service as a Software Substitute (proof app needs service and we are missing server software for it: broken app).

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

When do they not spread FUD?

[-] CatTrickery@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It think there are a lot of factors at play. Musk wants Twitter* to be an everything app and has mentioned plans to add e2e encryption to the dms. Telegram already had an iffy relationship to people who look for encrypted platforms so he probably wants to set up that idea to get people onto Twitter instead, especially as the right's relationship to the platform is absolutely getting worse.

A big chunk of far right Telegram has moved off the platform recently after quite a few of the groups that got their start from anti-lockdown demos had members get arrested for terror charges. They seem to blame the fact that Telegram is backdoored but they constantly fed-post in open unencrypted channels anyone can read anyway. The police probably do monitor those channels but if I were to guess how they got caught, my bet is honestly that they just put in reports to the cops about each other because being fascists usually goes hand in hand with being horrible people.

I'm not sure how much he actually reads on far right Telegram but there is evidence of him at least following some channels where this sentiment can be seen. If I were to guess he saw oppotunity in bringing that audience back to Twitter.

* I refuse to call it X

EDIT: fix early accidental submission

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

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[-] beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago
[-] The_Dark_Knight@lemmy.sdf.org -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Idk how secure telegram is but cmon signal is shady AF . They won't let fdroid have it cause they want to sign their own keys or some shit but there is a speculation its because they can roll out custom apk to targets which governments want which is just not possible if it is hosted by someone like fdroid . Even telegram allows that and they even allow third party apps which signal won't .

SimpleX and briar is the best option if your actually worried about privacy .

[-] Asudox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I do see it weird but publishing on F-Droid means almost nothing. If you are scared of their pre-built apks, compile from source instead. If Telegram and Signal are bad, use SimpleX.

[-] The_Dark_Knight@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

It means a ton to me and a lot others and no one has to compile from source every time .

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