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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by doublepepperoni@hexbear.net to c/urbanism@hexbear.net

Just this week in Vantaa, Finland three 12-year-old girls piled onto one of those electric scooters you subscribe to with an app and proceeded to get run over by a car at a crossing, killing one of them

The app is supposed to have an age restriction but it's easy to bypass and you're not supposed to have more than one person riding on one, which people routinely ignore

I hate seeing kids and teens speeding around dangerously on those fucking things and then just leaving them laying around on high-traffic bike routes because they don't give a shit since they treat the scooters as completely disposable

Fucking awful bazinga-brained Silicon Valley-ass idea and business model. Actually, there are also bikes you can use with an app but curiously you don't see kids doing reckless shit with those, almost as if electric scooters were uniquely terrible thonk

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[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Actually, there are also bikes you can use with an app but curiously you don't see kids doing reckless shit with those, almost as if electric scooters were uniquely terrible

So what do you figure the magical compound in E-Scooters is here?

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[-] Stoatmilk@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

They should either lower maximum speed those things go to 15 km/h or actually build road infrastructure for them, and ban users who leave them in the middle of the road, those things are a menace

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[-] Egon@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

On the one hand you have people living in walkable cities that almost universally hate the e-scooter.
On the other you have a bunch of americans who have managed to grasp the concept "car bad", but have not moved on to the "why" and are thus stuck at not comprehending why people might take issue with the way E-scooters take up public space.

In this situation you chose an example where a car was involved sadly, so your overarching point will not be interrogated, but I just want to say: I agree with you. E-scooters fucking suck, they make life much worse for pedestrians and bicyclists. Traffic here (speaking as a bicyclist) has gotten much better since they've been banned from downtown.

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[-] Kultronx@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago

the kid example is kind of grasping at straws, but in my experience, scooter rider dudes are the absolute worst sort of people who make commuting unsafe for everyone. everyday i have to deal with some jackass acting unsafe while i'm cycling like a normal person following the rules.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is just the dirtbike discourse from a few days ago all over again. Reposting this thread which I hope helps make some of the scooter-brained users here understand why people are against e-scooter implementation in public infrastructure.
Good urban planning isn't when "you get to go fast on an e-scooter and any impediment to this is bad". There's a reason people are arguing for 15-minute cities instead of ceding roads to scooters and it isnt because they hate fun.
Read up on "Practice Theory". A good entry point is Making Mobilities Matter.

E-scooters have far more accidents than bikes. Rideshare e-scooters have a lifespan of 9-18 months, they are not sustainable. The alternative to an e-scooter is not a car, it is a bike or public transport. E-scooters can work, but as they are implemented in the west they don't, which is why people critique them. Yes we should change our society, this doesn't mean we should hand over the shattered remains of public infrastructure to techbro parasites.

[-] egg1918@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah those e scooters are wack. So are those like unicycle things. On a bicycle youre seated high up, and you have 2 big wheels and the bike itself. You're much more visible.

On a scooter it just looks like you're standing up at a glance so cars/buses/trucks are so much less likely to notice you.

[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Sounds like the problem is people driving cars, busses and trucks and being shit at it

[-] CommunistBear@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

NGL the electric unicycles seem dangerous regardless of cars and vehicles. I still think they're cool as hell but I'm too much of a coward to try them at any real speed

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