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[-] xavier666@lemm.ee 79 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yo dawg, I heard you like Linux. So I built a Linux container for your Linux phone. Now you can enjoy Linux while enjoying your Linux phone.

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 5 months ago

We definitely living in a simulation.

[-] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Not that I don't disagree with you, but how did you come down to this conclusion?

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago

We're so many levels of abstraction and emulation deep, that the natural conclusion is that there's no reason to believe we're at the top of the abstraction, but somewhere in the middle.

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[-] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 6 points 5 months ago

Wonder if it's running on Linux

[-] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 months ago

You can call it GNU/Linux if the same name for OS and kernel turns out to be confusing for you.

[-] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 56 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You need a phone, tablet, or other device that’s been rooted.

Damit

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 5 months ago

Rule of thumb for android users, all of the interesting shit is shit you can't do unless you're rooted.

[-] GlenTheFrog@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

I remember when it used to be all the REALLY interesting stuff was root only, yet a lot of normal interesting stuff was non-root. Now even with root, modern Android can be a pain and the interesting stuff just pales in comparison with true Linux

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[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 17 points 5 months ago

Me in this thread: revolvingdoor.gif

[-] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 5 months ago

look into proot+termux-x11 if you don't have a rooted device, it's still very good.

[-] joe_cool@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 months ago

It's just quite a bit slower. Everything else other than messing with /sys and android processes works the same.

HDMI, mouse and keyboard and you have an office pc.

[-] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago

Yup, I used it all the time with samsung dex, works great

[-] Tja@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago

I looked on the play store and fdroid, haven't found anything. I'd love to have a Linux chroot with CLI linux software, don't want to root my phone. Halp.

[-] Tja@programming.dev 7 points 5 months ago

For the lazy, in termux:

$ pkg install proot
$ pkg install proot-distro
$ proot-distro install debian
$ proot-distro login debian

Profit??

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[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 56 points 5 months ago

TLDR: Easy installation of something like Termux, GUI, Kwin and KDE, and a graphical display.

This is really good!

[-] lily33@lemm.ee 13 points 5 months ago

Not really. It seems to use a very different technology from termux.

[-] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 5 months ago

it's actually not that far off a chroot, it uses LXC, the really cool thing thats going on is this wayland integration, I was waiting for termux-gui + wlroots to come along, but this might just land first

[-] lily33@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

However, it also uses halium and libhybris. That means you can't just install your favourite distro and upstream tools. Everything that needs GPU acceleration needs to be patched for libhybris. For example, that means no upstream wlroots - and the latest patched version I think is 0.12 or so.

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[-] iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago

So how does it render to screen? Because the biggest nag on any of these previous implementations came when I needed to use VNC to remotely connect to the desktop...

[-] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 months ago

it uses a modified wayland compositor that hooks up directly to android surfaceview. Currently if you want a chroot/proot solution, I reccomend termux-x11. it's good performance.

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[-] cafuneandchill@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago

You could emulate Android on Linux before, now you can also emulate Linux on Android

The circle of libe is compleet

[-] critical@reddthat.com 12 points 5 months ago

Now the only question is: How deep can you go?

[-] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 8 points 5 months ago

We can also emulate windows on android and WSL obviously on windows.

So we can use Linux to emulate Android, which in turn emulates windows to run WSL

[-] eshep@social.trom.tf 10 points 5 months ago

@lemmyreader @cafuneandchill PostmarketOS in chroot in termux in waydroid on PostmarketOS 🤘

[-] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 months ago

well it's not really emulation, if you are familiar with LXC it's that, it's pretty much a super chroot

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[-] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 37 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I recall using an app way back when I used to root and haxor all the mobiles that would do this. Kind of a virtualbox for the Nexus phones/tablets, but it needed root to do it. Will have to look into this, would be interesting if it can do so in user space somehow.

Edit: Damn, still needs root. Was a longshot to be able to hook into system resources without it but was hoping for some bridge function.

[-] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That bridge function would still need root (or critical level security holes) to be installed, if the ROM doesn't ship it.

[-] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 3 points 5 months ago

Makes sense, I'm so accustomed to making virtual machines and such that it becomes just a thing but inevitably at some point admin access was required to create the hypervisor, the vnic, a virtual switch, etc. Without that restriction a piece of malware could readily exfiltrate data past a local protection by just making it's own new pathway through on the fly or any number of other unpleasant things.

[-] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago

if you want a non root solution, termux proot + termux-x11, or eventually termux proot + termux-gui + wayland compositor

[-] TheFonz@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

Does this mean I could install and run Blender on my phone???

[-] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 6 points 5 months ago

You can try

[-] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago

you can already try that with chroot/proot, this just gives far better integration for input handling and stuff

[-] trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 5 months ago

If someone could build a preconfigured image that has Phosh and basic phone apps, I would consider using this full time.

[-] Hector@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 months ago

Would be even better if it can be registered as the default launcher too

[-] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 5 months ago

Could we uninstall almost all non system apps, make it autostart and prevent any other app from getting in the way?

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[-] cityboundforest@beehaw.org 3 points 5 months ago

I would as well

[-] electricprism@lemmy.ml 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

So I could use this to run PostmarketOS inside Android?

[-] eshep@social.trom.tf 5 points 5 months ago

@lemmyreader @electricprism There is someone who managed to convert a proot-distro version of #alpine into a #pmos one. It's not as great as it may sound though.

[-] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago

there are massive limitations to termux proot/chroot that don't apply here. proper touch support is one of them.

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[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 months ago

this is the most useful thing android will ever do.

Once rooted.

[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 5 months ago

So basically it's UserLAnd with accelerated graphics instead of VNC.

[-] lily33@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

Actually, no, this seems to work on a very different principle.

[-] iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

*is going to be.

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