Me any time my team discusses the notion of moving our standup to before core hours
That doesn't even make sense. The earliest standups should be is when core hours start.
Ikr
That doesn't stop the "but it's disruptive to have it 2h into my day"
You chose this life mate
Them: "I just wake up at 4 a.m. naturally and can't seem to sleep in!"
Also them: "Have you tried to bed and waking up earlier? All it takes is practice!"
I mean honestly yeah after working multiple jobs for years I had to wake up around 4 to be able to get off work around 2 to make it to my second job at 3 now even though I have a single job I still get up at 4 it's just ingrained at this point, thr benefit is I still get off at 230 and if people want me to stay past that at least it's over time pay
I have spent the last two decades being absolutely miserable because I have to get up at 6 a.m. and my body has never adjusted. No, it doesn't matter how long I sleep, if I get up before 8 a.m. then no amount of sleep is going to make me feel rested.
When I take vacations and get up around 8:00 then I feel fine all day.
It's down to your chronotype, according to recent research.
Everyone has one and it basically boils down to your body's ideal sleep schedule. Some people are more predisposed to going to sleep earlier and therefore walking up earlier (10pm-6am is a pretty common one apparently), others are more predisposed to a later schedule such as 2am-10am. Some people need longer, some need less.
The big thing is, you can force yourself out of what your body would prefer, but it's pretty much always at the cost of alertness and mood and it will never feel natural.
The problem we have now though is the 10pm-6am crowd has the world designed around their schedule with the incorrect assumption that everyone should just do what they do and it's just poor discipline preventing others from getting on board.
No amount of blue light filters, digital hygiene and eating earlier is going to change your body's preference, unfortunately.
Maybe they should try staying awake until after 21h
Personally, comedy routines shouldn’t start before happy hour, at the earliest.
And I’m not entirely sold on the team building…
If only standups were near as pleasurable as watching a comedy routine. No, Jim, we don't need to hear your day minute by minute. It isn't that hard, Jim, just keep it to the same length as everyone else, Jim. (Jim has since been talked to about this)
I dunno. I shudder at the thought of certain individuals trying a standup comedy routine. If the karaoke happy hour was anything to go by... there's not enough booze in the world to make that painless; and they frown on drinking at these team building things anyhow.
If I'm in an interview and I hear the company call business hours "core hours", I'm immediately running. That is corporate jargon straight from capitalist hell. They don't even hide that they're trying to own our lives now, so they say "non-core hours" to try to normalize working at 8pm.
Where I worked, "core hours" were 10:00-14:00. You had to work 8 hours at any time you want, including the core hours. So 10:00-18:00, 6:00-14:00, or whatever you want in-between. I found it quite nice.
My work does. But it's not business hours. It's like 9-3. It's when they suggest most people be available for meetings, calls. So when people flex their schedules, they'd prefer it if most people were still available at that time.
"You know this could have just been an email, right?"
I must have east coast birds, they start at 5am
I came to write the same comment, they easily start at 5AM
also it's a daily meeting 😤
This one rally hurt me, such a huge emotional drag, so little understanding, such hopeless situation.
Annual? Those fuckers be meeting outside my window every morning!
I'll take any birds like that, hell even crows, but I got seagulls and they scream from the top of their lungs at 5am.
Nah, that's different. That's the daily standup meeting.
Just imagine how many of those meetings could have been an email as well ...
mockingbird at 4:30 AM: HEY GUYS I BROUGHT SEED FOR THE MEETING IN 2.5h. LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY TRIP TO GET IT IN EACH OF YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGES.
Hey who let you post a photo of me??!!
Who who!
Owl will just stay up. ;)
Sometimes it's hard to be a night owl.
This is exactly what it's like when one'semployer has offices on the exact opposite sides of the world.
I'm talking antipodal points here.
They're getting up late, huh?
Other than the time being 7 AM, I'm generally that first bird. I try to make sure that everyone is on board with what we go with. I will ask the owl, and if it doesn't work for them, I'll check with the others for a better time. There is no being overruled before you can even speak up.
You’re not wrong, but this is art. It’s more about the sentiment of being the minority that doesn’t want to wake up early when every else does
I interpreted it a bit differently, as if the owl was feeling "ugh, now I have to wake up early because everyone else already decided on it."
Yeah I think that’s a perfectly valid interpretation
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