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Have you went down any internet rabbit holes only to come out with a deep set existential crisis? If so, what are they?

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[-] indepndnt@lemmy.world 53 points 5 months ago

It's somewhat specific to someone with my type of background; namely growing up in a family of young-Earth creationist, fundamentalist Christians, and learning that things like science and evolution are lies from Satan.

At some point curiosity got the better of me and I realized I didn't even know what evolution even is, so I read up a bit about it. Then a bit more. You know, this actually kind of makes sense. Eventually the rabbit hole led to the existence of God. I remember watching a bunch of debates and expecting the most learned representatives of our Christian tradition to make some really great arguments. And... they... never... did.

[-] moistclump@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Same experience. Right down to debate watching hoping for something to hang on to!

[-] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago

I went from a fundamentalist community to full blown antitheist to agnostic (after studying religious philosophy in college) to pagan.

My experience teaches me there are many, many great arguments for the existence of the gods. You just have to accept that gods do not fit the conception the christian fundamentalists have: there is no sentient entity in existence that is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent and omnibenevolent (towards humanity).

If, and when, you are willing to relax your criteria for what constitutes a god (mine are personifications of the forces of nature) and what your relationship with such a being should look like (I respect them, but worship no one), you too will realize that the "either god is perfect in every way and should be worshipped without a shred of skepticism or there is no god and everything is doomed" mindset is just another arifact of christian zealotry and brainwashing.

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[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago

I only recently tossed a Handbook Of Christian Apologetics by Tacelli & Kreeft. I was never devout, let alone outright brainwashed into anti-science nonsense, but at the cusp of my reddit atheist phase I figured a question this big deserved a fair shake. So I got a big ol' book of the best arguments anyone had. They all sucked. So that was that.

The one that made me put the book down and go 'yep, atheist' was "the argument from magic." You think about moving your hand. Your hand moves by thought alone. Magic! Therefore, Jesus. I fucking wish I was exaggerating.

Took another decade to figure out the people pushing these arguments don't actually give a shit about being right. The point is performing loyalty to the ingroup. There's a conclusion, and it comes from people above you, so your job is to make whatever mouth noises get there. A monotheistic god is only the purest expression of that tribalist worldview.

[-] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago

I'm taking a grad school course about the psychology of decision making, and the science behind how we process and use data hurts my mind and soul. At some level, we are biological logic machines. The implications of that terrify me.

[-] scemmy@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Interested in reading more, can you mention the textbook(s) your course uses?

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[-] Hegar@fedia.io 30 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Free will.

It's hard to accept, but free will is just not compatible with reality. It's like geocentrism. It seems obvious on its face because of our limited perspective, but nothing else in the universe makes sense if it's true. We live in a mechanistic universe and cause and effect doesn't suddenly stop when the atoms are part of a human.

I freaked out for about a week once I came to realize how much of our society is based on a scientific impossibility. Redesigning justice, ethics, healthcare, the very concept of blame, etc. to account for this is a daunting fucking prospect.

[-] TheOneCurly@lemm.ee 22 points 5 months ago

Subatomic particles act in insane ways that are absolutely not mechanical or predictible. A very limited size of object behaves "normally". I think believing that the universe mostly acts like our everyday objects is the skewed perspective.

[-] bitfucker@programming.dev 12 points 5 months ago

Our current understanding is not enough to state that with confidence. We used to be so confident with classical mechanics and even claims that physics is almost complete. God knows how long our current probabilistic model will last before we find another better model. It may be probabilistic, or it may not.

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[-] TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub 11 points 5 months ago

Here's the thing, though: it's doesn't matter if free will is real or not.

[-] Weirdmusic@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Well, it does if our entire justice system is based around the concept of free will.

[-] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

But we never could have designed it any other way (assuming no free will)

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[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Why do people always stop one step too short?

If there is no free will, the concepts of justice, blame, etc. still survive funtionally intact. If "chemical you" commits a crime, "you" are only not responsible if "you" is a metaphysical entity separate from (and that cannot control) the chemical you. But there's no evidence that "you" aren't simply the "chemical you", and therefore fully responsible for your crimes. If "you" are a metaphysical entity separate from the chemical you, then "you" do actually have free will.

This is only not true if the metaphysical you exists but cannot control the chemical you, which seems reasonable but like... you can move your arm right now, by willing it to be so. Either metaphysical you has free will, or your conscious experience is the chemical you. Either way, your conscious experience is either the same as or commands your physical form, and therefore is responsible for the actions that you take, and can be blamed and given justice.

[-] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago

I dislike the conception of Free Will that asserts will is only free if it is not deterministic. Any system dictated by the law of Cause and Effect will necessarily be deterministic, given knowledge of First Cause. Together, those premises imply that the only way to be truly free is in a chaotic universe, i.e. one without a relationship between Cause and Effect, where decisions are completely arbitrary and have no predictable outcome anyway.

The fact of the matter is that you're already free to do whatever you want, even if that's shooting yourself in the foot or refusing the choice entirely and running off to live in the woods, and that's freedom enough for all practical meanings of the word.

[-] Berttheduck@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago

There's a really good Kurzgesagt (in a nutshell) about this topic. (Also their videos are excellent in general, highly recommend their YouTube channel).

My thoughts on this are: we may not have free will but it still feels like we make choices so I will continue to choose to do things which matters to me and enjoy my time in the universe.

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[-] DaleGribble88@programming.dev 29 points 5 months ago

Toxoplasma Gondii - a parasite bred through cat poop. It is extremely common, easily spread through undercooked food (especially meat). It can affect your mental state to engage in riskier and more self destructive behaviors. Testing for Toxoplasma Gondii is not standard, but it is believed that 10-15% of the US population is infected with the parasite at any given time.

[-] stewie3128@lemmy.ml 18 points 5 months ago

That's actually my favorite parasite! Toxo really wants to live inside a cat's digestive tract, so much so that, when a rodent gets it in their blood, the baby toxos produce cysts in the brain (and liver and muscles) that hypnotize the rat into being attracted to cat poop. This leads to the rat hanging around where cats poop, and therefore getting eaten by the cat, and ending up happily back inside the cat's GI tract.

[-] Truffle@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago

Oh I've been there too! Read about it while planning my pregnancy. It made me feel so paranoic that I got the test done twice just in case. I never got sick with it, but paranoia was a removed.

Since then I have gotten mental health help to deal with anxiety etc.

[-] Colonel_Panic_@lemm.ee 29 points 5 months ago

The universe. The Big bang, time, quantum mechanics. Is our universe infinite? Is it the only universe? Did the Big bang start ours and will it end with a big crunch and will that collapse just cause a big bang that repeats and if so what iteration of that cycle do you suppose we are in? And does each universe behave the same, similar laws and physics and such? Stars, planets, etc?

Deconstructing from religion. It was a lot. I'm better now, but being stuck in it all was overwhelming and was like being in an existential crisis every day until it ended. I just went along with it and kept it all inside for decades and it wasn't fun.

Consciousness and our sense of self. Is consciousness an illusion? What even is "me"? It includes all the gut bacteria and mitochondria with different DNA than us and our brains are these amazing pattern recognition machines that also have abysmal memory storage and recall, but can notice the tiniest of nuance sometimes, but also can't remember where we put the thing we were just holding 2 minutes ago. And all the while our brain is confidently telling us "I am me" and is processing all the inputs like sights and sounds and interpreting all that into what we think we see and what we think we heard. But did we? How would we know if upon seeing the color red our brain interprets that as blue and we confidently declare we see red.

[-] stewie3128@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

In the old Star Wars Expanded Universe, there was mention of a Shawken Device which, if operable, could destroy the universe.

This has led me to conclude that the universe probably isn't infinite.

In an infinite universe, all possible things should be happening at the same time. This would necessarily mean that someone invented a device/mechanism/reaction that could destroy the universe, and successfully activated it, thus ending the universe.

There are only two possible conclusions that I can draw from this thought experiment, which are not mutually exclusive:

  1. The universe is not infinite, and/or
  2. It is not possible to destroy the universe.
[-] Colonel_Panic_@lemm.ee 9 points 5 months ago

Relativity proved that time isn't a constant thing where all things occur at "the present". You can have situations where person 1 sees an event happen as A B and person 2 sees that same event happen as B A.

That means time isn't some absolute framework that reality exists in, but something more like a property of matter or space or something.

Also the speed of light seems to be applicable here. Or more accurately, the speed at which events propagate through space. If you pushed a button to end the universe wouldn't that event only go at light speed out in all directions? So maybe the button has been pushed (maybe an infinite number of times too) and all the shockwaves just haven't gotten here yet.

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[-] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago

In an infinite universe, all possible things should be happening at the same time

Misunderstanding of infinity.

E.g.: 1.101100111000... is an infinitely long number, yet it will never be bigger than 1.2 nor smaller than 1.1, it does not contain all digits, nor does it contain all possible combinations of 0s and 1s.

[-] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
  1. The universe is almost definitely not infiinte, but we will never be able to prove it.
  2. Have you heard of vacuum decay?
[-] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago

Have you heard of vacuum decay?

I know, right? They barely make consumer grade products that last nowadays.

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[-] Mrs_deWinter@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 5 months ago

The Dark Forest Hypothesis. A very compelling answer to the Fermi paradox: If the universe is this vast and life surely must have developed over and over all around us, how come we never found anyone?

If two civilizations ever met, chances are incredibly slim that they were comparably or even similarly developed at this exact moment in time. Think about a modern army traveling back in time 400 years and fighting a group of swordmen with horses; the medieval people would be so overwhelmed it would barely classify as a fight, and that's just with a few hundred years of difference in technological progress. The random difference between species from different planets and systems would be far, far greater. So if two of them would meet, one of them would very likely be to the other as a god to an ant.

The universe might be brimming with life, but everyone who gets this far must be aware that half of them could wipe you out like ants, the other half could be as indomitable as a god. Cue the dark forest metaphor: There's prey and there's predators. We don't know which one we are in each instance, or how many of each are out there. But how could a first contact protocoll look like in such a competetive (and very likely deadly unfair) environment?

In the dark forest only two types of species can survive: Those that attack. And those who hide.

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 months ago

I just think:

how many living species have been on earth? Millions probably

How many of those species are intelligent? 1

How long have this intelligent species been around? Nothing at a cosmic timescale.

How many of this intelligent species have become "interstellar"? 0

I don't think those numbers can be extrapolate, even to the observable universe, to ensure that there are any species capable of interestellar travel around. Living species and even intelligent ones? Maybe. But a long lasting inteligent and interestellar species? We are not an example of that, so we have 0 examples to extrapolate. Only our wishful thinking that humanity will last longer and keep progressing, but that is just a hope, not real yet.

[-] TheFinalCapitalist@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago

Well there is plenty of intelligent species on the planets, but having the correct evolutionary features of being intelligent and having the capacity to manipulate the environment to an extreme degree is the rare combo. Kinda nit picky but I think its an important one

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[-] hoi_polloi@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago

Give it time, we started emitting radio 80 years ago. When aliens look our way, they probably still see the dinosaurs or something.

[-] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago

This is a fascinating one.

Some things to consider, a toddler can easily defeat a baby but a 40 and 45 year old are evenly matched. There's also the question of how much is there to learn, at some point the tech tree is pretty much done - iron is much stronger than brass but maybe light-speed heavy plasma guns are pretty much maxed out and physics simply doesn't allow more.

This could result in interesting stalemates, a natural limit to the size of conflicts for example if it's possible to maintain a defensive sphere that can withstand the maximum level of abuse that a circle of attackers can provide - any weapons platform too far back being unable to increase the force applied. We might get technologically perfect civilizations effectively combined to bubbles of influence around their power sources.

What is possible is that at a certain level of tech we discover how to tap into the universal internet, aliens give us the rest of the answers to physics and philosophy then show us how to build VR gear so we can explore the cosmos in perfect VR and no one ever needs to build Dyson spheres or hyperwarp megastructures because we can do anything with a dark matter powered computanium smart phone.

[-] Queen___Bee@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Your last line about hiding reminds me of a peaceful species, the Nox, from Stargate SG-1, who had many abilities one of which was to become invisible and shield their community from detection. But funnily enough, they were so powerful and advanced they may has well have been treated like gods by anyone else.

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[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

I went down the psychology rabbit hole and emerged with autism.

[-] TootSweet@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

Buddhism.

(I hope any Buddhists here find that as hilarious as I do.)

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[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

The Mandela Effect caused by running the Large Hadron Collider for the first time, shifting us into an alternate universe.

[-] OsaErisXero@kbin.run 10 points 5 months ago

I thought that was Harambe. Or was he the first sign of deviation?

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Harambe was 2016, we shifted in 2010.

[-] bitfucker@programming.dev 15 points 5 months ago

Gödel Incompleteness Theorem and the boundary of our understanding of the universe.

[-] antrosapien@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

I call it Gödel's curse

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[-] ssm@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Roko's Basilisk / Pascal's Wager scared me for a little while. Then I realized it was stupid.

Also you can invert Pascal's Wager and argue that god could not want to be worshipped, and worshipping a god result in punishment due to celebrating ignorance and blind faith.

[-] stewie3128@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 months ago

Tri-omni God problem. The God that we are told is worthy of worship is

  1. Omniscient, and
  2. Omnipresent, and
  3. Omni-benevolent.

The presence of evil in the world demonstrates that no more than two out of those 3 can possibly be true at the same time. Thus if God does exist, he's not all that and a bag of gummy bears.

[-] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 9 points 5 months ago

The "solutions" to this are called theodicy and are definitely a fascinating rabbit hole. They're all unsatisfying, but philosophically interesting

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[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 months ago

Collapse.

I got better! Stopped following closely.

[-] FireWire400@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Noise Music. How can anyone unironically listen to that stuff?

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[-] medienlampe@feddit.org 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

For me that would be Vacuum Decay, greatly explained by Kurzgesagt:

https://piped.video/watch?v=ijFm6DxNVyI?si=ekJcAgaR58rNx2R4

Generally I’m quite chill with it because one would not feel anything. However it‘s somewhat unsettling anyway.

[-] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

"This is not a place of honor"

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[-] philpo@feddit.de 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Great Filter Events come to my mind first.

Then Gamma Ray Bursts.

And from a professional standpoint: Haemolytic fevers(Ebola,Marburg,etc.). I am trained to handle patients infected with them. But boy am I scared by them, especially on a global perspective. And for that reason also fuck everything that lives in Kitum cave or similar caves.

[-] stewie3128@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

Smart astrophysics people I've talked to are excited when we see gamma bursters further out in the universe than before, because that means that the universe is bigger than previously known.

[-] ultranaut@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

I feel like I've hit them all at this point.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Just the big ones, most days. What is consciousness, why are we here, what's the point, how does one reconcile the importance of love with an uncaring nightmare universe where almost everything must kill to survive, etc

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