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Russia's LGBTQ+ community is turning to Telegram as the government cracks down on them (www.lgbtqnation.com)

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[+] praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works 60 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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[-] tal@lemmy.today 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Lemmy is not designed to provide reasonably-hardened anonymity in the sort of way that Hyphanet, I2P, or maybe Tor or something like that is.

I would not recommend using Lemmy if I were seriously concerned about government prosecution for content on it.

Lemmy's a good alternative for something like Reddit.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

lavender.ltgc.i2p exists. It's Lemmy instance avaliable from i2p and tor. But it's mostly pony instance.

[-] efstajas@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Hm. As long as you only interact with Lemmy through a (trusted) VPN, or even through Tor, you're just as safe using Lemmy as you would be any other website. Servers can always see your IP by default, and the owners of those servers can be coerced to give it away by whatever external forces. If you hide your IP, they can't. That's pretty much it.

[-] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 4 months ago

Shout out to that one user named Good Girl who swore that being on Hexbear and Lemmygrad meant she got better treatment than the rest of lemmy.

I hope she gets over her self-hatred and loves herself as much as outside of those spaces.

[-] Mothra@mander.xyz 15 points 4 months ago

I'm missing out on this particular bit of Lemmy Lore, did something happen?

[-] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago

It only really impacted me and a few others on Blahaj/196. She "swore off" the rest of Lemmy (still has it, still uses it) and said that being on Hexbear was better for her than other spaces online, and anyone disagreeing, even other trans women, were all wrong.

[-] Mothra@mander.xyz 4 points 4 months ago

I don't understand why someone would downvote you or why this opinion would cause an impact of any kind? People say all sorts of crazy things online. Was she particularly rude, trollish or baitey?

[-] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 4 months ago

She thought that the group of trans people that run 196 was somehow enabling transphobia and other horrid things when we constantly removed it.

And when we removed it, she said it was better for communication if kept things up to show the idiots.

And then when I kept it up, she got mad at me for not instantly banning and removing them.

Like everything 196 does was inherently a master plan where we messed with all users just for her.

She's banned because she constantly went "I can't wait to leave this place" and never did. So I left the ban note along the lines of "If you want to leave, you can. You're not, you're harassing users and defending tankies, so take this time to breath some air."

[-] Mothra@mander.xyz 4 points 4 months ago

I see, thanks for sharing!

[-] 555_1@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Yeah I’d like to see them justify that

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

At a guess: "these things are necessary to secure the state from Western agitators and things will change."

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

I've heard plenty of "LGBT Rights is wrong because it means forcing Western Values on other cultures" stories from Tankies. It was enough to prove Horseshoe Theory to me.

[-] suction@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Rather proves those were Pro-Russia trolls posing as something else

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[-] einkorn@feddit.org 32 points 4 months ago

Telegramm and "safe"?

Sorry, but these people must have been living under a rock (which actually is quite likely as we are talking about Russia).

Telegram has control over the content and channels and has been working with governments in the past.

[-] rdri@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

This is what happens when western people read such articles. They turn into denial. Telegram is basically the safest place in Russia's digital space.

these people must have been living under a rock

Russians are very advanced when it comes to the internet. They spend more time in it because real life sucks more than in other countries.

Telegram has control over the content and channels

Doesn't mean anything. Especially for groups who just want to communicate.

has been working with governments in the past

There is not enough evidence to support the probability of telegram making steps to make finding gay people easier for Russian authorities.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Telegram is basically the safest place in Russia's digital space.

Yep. Alternatives are:

Mailru trash - comrade major knows everything
VK trash - comrade major knows everything
Whatsapp - comrade major knows your phone number, which means he knows who you are

Everything else is not popular.

these people must have been living under a rock

Russians are very advanced when it comes to the internet.

Putin does try to bring Russia into stone age. Russians are very advanced thanks for 1990-2016 period when goverment didn't try to destroy internet.

They spend more time in it because real life sucks more than in other countries.

This is true. We probably have second worst healthcare after America.

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[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Telegram requires a phone number. That's a none starter for me. There's a huge number of services that don't. This might as well be a honey pot for trapping more lgbt people. Russia has used dating services before in their crackdowns.

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[-] einkorn@feddit.org 5 points 4 months ago

Russians are very advanced when it comes to the internet.

I do not doubt that for marginalized groups such as the LGBTQ comunity, who have to watch every step they do. But given the restrictions placed on everyday online services in Russia I'd assume the average citizen has harder time.

Doesn't mean anything. Especially for groups who just want to communicate.

A subset of society that's marginalized at best and killed at the worst doesn't care about who can read and influence their communication? That seems highly shortsighted to me.

There is not enough evidence to support the probability of telegram making steps to make finding gay people easier for Russian authorities.

That we know of. Given that the company behind Telegram has been involved in various sketchy situations I wouldn't bet my wellbeing on a service that might or might not share information with a corrupt government..

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[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Coming soon to the U.S. courtesy of the GOP.

Conservatism is a plague.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

And France with le pen.

[-] Resol@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

And the Netherlands with Wilders

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There's a Russian guy I know in some... adult roleplay circles.., kinkiest chap I know. I worry about him... He tried telling me Telegram was "safer", didn't know what he meant.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

He meant it is not controlled by FSB like VK and mailru shit and doesn't show phone number to entire world like whatsapp.

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