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That's why they hate us deep down. They can't reconcile the fact that they are not actually the most progressive and tolerant person in the room.

We actually support the LGBT community, we don't just say we do. We don't just wait until politicians finally get on this side of the fence and then cheer when they finally get on the right side of history.

Liberals are the kind of person to say their community is accepting of all genders, all nationalities, all minorities etc. but then not ban fascists who threaten that acceptance (and even lives) because everyone deserves free speech. It's like they walk half the way, then suddenly stop and stand there, claiming this is actually where the trail ends even though you and they can clearly see the trail keeps going beyond the horizon.

We have better politics in all ways.

  • We actually want things to get better
  • We actually don't want people to die, no matter if it's from homelessness, hunger, or Ukraine.
  • We actually want to hold our politicians accountable.
  • Shit, we actually want competent officials.
  • We actually want democracy, not whatever capitalism passes off as democracy (hey here's a riddle, you get to vote every 4 years and your boss can decide your schedule without consulting you! Is that democracy?)
  • We actually recognize fascism, even when it comes from liberals.
  • We actually fight against it too.
  • We are able to deeply analyze societal issues and not simply repeat from our high school history lessons.
  • We know our history and geopolitics. Liberals will repeat from NATO propaganda. We've actually read about it.

This is impossible to the liberal who thinks so highly of themselves that they must, by default, be the most accepting and progressive person in the world.

And so they resort to calling you a CCP shill instead of actually examining their privilege and positions.

Face it liberals, we are actually the person you think you are. Not the person you want to be, because you don't want to be anything other than what you are right now (because as a liberal you are, after all, perfect). But the person you and your fellow liberals spent years building up as being a pretty great guy.

And yes that includes whatever the fuck conservatives think they are.

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[-] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

During break, a colleague today (at a school) brought up Hitler after watching a documentary about it. We started talking, and he admitted he knew very little about Hitler and how he came to lead Germany, and wanted to know more. I analyzed the whole thing. Other colleagues in the area started jumping in and asking questions. They were appreciative of the way I talked about it and praised me for knowing so much about history and politics, while admitting that they also knew very little.

Now, I'm not saying this story to tout my own horn, but to emphasize what happened next. Bear in mind, nobody at the workplace knows I'm a communist. They know, I'm left-leaning, but that's it.

Anyway, someone then jumps in and says communism and fascism are the same thing ("communism is red fascism and you have to be an idiot and not know any history to be either one").

I bite my tongue and laugh inside. Here they are admitting they know very little history and praising me for knowing so much of it, then saying communists don't know history.

At any rate, I don't think I'll reveal my politics any time so. It's really effective injecting them with historical materialism without using the buzzwords.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

There was a boomer lady at work yesterday who had the same reaction when she was in line behind some younger folks who I was explaining who John Brown was.

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 57 points 1 year ago

Liberals, especially ones that are past their early 20s, are deeply cynical and hate us for having hope.

[-] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 42 points 1 year ago

this is part of why i became a commie, because my god i dislike cynicism

[-] Ozriel@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

And i don't understand their brand of cynicism either, they are ignorant of the problems around them and i myself am a cynic and everything does feel hopeless all the time but i do not understand how a liberal who is very much in support of the status quo and doesn't want to fight for anything beyond the length of their shoe lace has anything to feel cynical about.

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[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 48 points 1 year ago

Liberals just care about having the hypothetical moral high ground.

Like yesterday post about someone being mad because people were having fun about the Burning man flood. "A tragedy for an event that brings positivity to the world", "burning man attendes are solid human beings with strong morals, financially responsible, upstanding members of society" 😂 this is peak liberalism.

[-] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 47 points 1 year ago

Downvoters, if you don’t explain your downvote, we’ll assume it’s because you know we’re right and you don’t want to admit it.

[-] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 1 year ago

Liberals (passive supporters of capitalism) only have two responses when they meet something that conflicts with their worldview: either they pretend it doesn't exist or, if they are forced to reckon with the fact that it does, they will bend over backwards to try and prove that it's not actually what it says. See how the USSR wasn't "real communism" -- something only liberals say, I have never heard a communist ever say that.

They are in the first phase right now, where they can pretend I'm wrong and not describing reality. Thus they retain the moral high ground as described in the post.

[-] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Liberals (passive supporters of capitalism) only have two responses when they meet something that conflicts with their worldview

reminds me of this post a few weeks back: https://hexbear.net/comment/3736815

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[-] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Liberalism has always brought out the worst in people. There is little to no difference from liberals anywhere between Johannesburg to Tallinn. Their rhetoric and smug-as-fuck attitude is all the same. In the former, they go as far as to commit treason and in the latter, are openly calling for Nakba.

One also did a bit of ableism (straight to :gulag:, btw) simply because I actually like, read and goes off on the "muslim cant be a communist". Funny how I never heard this line uttered once in South Africa (even from libs), but has been a constant talking point in the :international-community-1::international-community-2:.

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[-] Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Generous in assuming liberals have politics, and don’t just consume whatever’s on the television.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 45 points 1 year ago

Blind support for status quo is a politic, however dumb.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 1 year ago

That's very well articulated, and very much the reason why liberals have such a visceral hate for communists. I think the key part that infuriates them is that we reject the idea that nothing better is possible. Their whole world view is based on the idea of accepting the evils of capitalist society in favor of doing anything different.

[-] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think this is mirrored on some people's frothing hatred of veganism, the contradictions are clear but the cognitive dissonance is too strong so you lash out

[-] Hatandwatch@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Look I clap when people order a Beyond Burger, anything more risks being insensitive to [bad faith party used for posturing].

[-] axont@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

every time liberals accuse us of being aggressive against people who disagree with us

I ask them what kind of disagreements we have and that's when they'll start spewing the most rancid transphobia or racism or Holocaust trivialization. Every single time. They're always vague about what kinds of disagreements they have with communists because they know they've got something putrid still rotting in them. They know they're still a national chauvinist or a bigot or they wanna own their dad's factory one day. They have to accuse us of being secretly bigoted because that's what they are.

They're also forever gonna be jealous that we had absolute kings on our side like Castro and Chavez. No liberal leader has come even close to how cool they were fidel-cool

[-] Rom@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

It's always "Hexbear calls everyone fascists for having different opinions" then when you dig into them those opinions turn out to be the most vile, racist shit you've ever heard.

[-] TrueLeveler@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Simón Bolivar was pretty cool, he even came around on slavery after his exile in Haiti. Still a bourgeois creollo, don't get me wrong, but at least he got the Spanish the fuck out of South America.

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[-] jungekatz@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

About lgbt rights , i remember when I was in a pride march in bangalore india , and we had banned all political posters in the pride , the liberal party people did not attend that year , however commies on the other hand attended the pride.

[-] ihaveibs@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 year ago

Liberals don't get mad at injustice. They have nothing to offer when you bring up why injustices even happen in the first place, and will eventually get angry at you if you don't drop the issue. Do liberals get mad about cop city? About charter schools? About health care? About homelessness? About the millions that have died due to COVID?

No. They don't. They go "Ah jeez that's terrible" and then they act like they can't think about it anymore because "it can't be helped."

Fucking hate that.

[-] Eat_Yo_Vegetables69@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago

They do... for about five minutes before they're switched back on to "this is all bad, but what can we do about it?". As long as they have their state department designated enemies to rally against, they'll blindly follow along since "we have it bad, but those ones are even worse!!".

[-] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 1 year ago

I think this same argument is also very true when talking about veganism as well

[-] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 42 points 1 year ago

HERE IT IS GUYS LET THE MONTHLY VEGAN STRUGGLE SESSION BEGIN

Veganism is very much a divided topic for many comrades (vegan btw)

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[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Liberals aren't even pretending to have beliefs or morals anymore.

Feinstein and McConnel are both too old, but we can't get rid of Feinstein because republicans won't let dems appoint somebody to the judiciary committe (maybe shouldn't have put an 85 year old in clear mental decline on that committee)

Biden really old and 80% of thencountry doesn't want him to run, but we can't give up the incumbent advantage.

They identify problems but then have an excuse for why they can't actually do anything about those problems and most of the time the excuse is "our political opponents won't help us solve problems we created for ourselves"

[-] ihaveibs@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

They act like if Republicans didn't exist everything would be great. Well, if Republicans are the ones holding us back from tearing down a society that murders millions and maims countless more, shouldn't we violently depose them??

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[-] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So while reading The Long Road to Freedom, during Nelson Mandela's early years in the 1950s, some folks already had peaked liberalism all the way to "oh honey you are way too into politics :very-intelligent:" and suggesting to just :vote: away the whole racism and anti-communism and it progressively becoming even more violent and repressive in the 1960s.

Oh boy, the dogwhistle I hear constantly is much older than anyone probably thought it is, lol

свиня з лайном на яєчках

[-] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago

The whole vote and not protest was a common thing said during the civil rights movement in the US

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[-] ButtigiegMineralMap@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What’s next? Amnesty International barely does anything to help? L +Pelosi’sSlaying +NoToMAGA+ #Vote+ #RESIST+ #YallSeingThis#+ #Problematic PERIOD 💯💯 /s

[-] D61@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Liberals "We're the legitimate rulers of the Turd Pile!"

Communists "Why are you standing on a pile of turds?"

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