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[-] metasin@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I read about this before. I do believe there is some merit in it. I work for a company that has traditionally moved engineers into management and I can say it has worked very well. That said, a government is not a corporation and there are human aspects that may be overlooked by some engineers. Or that would at least be some people’s concern.

[-] MattTheProgrammer@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

The worst bosses I've ever had were highly technical people put into those roles because they were perceived to be the best with those skills. There was repeatedly little-to-no regard for their soft skills and working for those people was miserable.

[-] metasin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I’m sorry to hear that. The way we have managed it has worked but some of that could be that the engineers that were promoted have always or mostly been able to empathize.

[-] Yendor@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago

Old Boeing (vs New Boeing).

[-] TwilightVulpine@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

The thing about technocracy is that there need to be human concerns and philosophies driving whatever scientifically-driven policy-making it's being done.

Do it wrong and that's how we end up with eugenics. It's incredibly easy to justify horrible stuff using metrics, the essential questions that cannot be overlooked is what metrics ought to be valued and why, and science is not the right method to make the ultimate judgement of what the values of a society ought to be.

[-] metasin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Absolutely! The human aspect needs to always be weighed side by side with actual “metrics”.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Please for the love of the gods don’t put engineers in charge of anything but engineering projects. You want someone to decide about bridges, dams, power, etc?We’re your people. You want someone do decide what rights people should have or economic policy? Keep us the fuck away we’re basically mad scientists.

[-] returnNull@lemmy.fmhy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

The point is not putting engineers in charge of everything. Engineers can make policy on infrastructure. Economists can make policy on the economy and sociologists can make policy on social issues. The point is to stop putting people in charge because they belong to party X or are really good friends with person Y.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Ok cool, I’ve seen plenty of people make the argument that stem people should be in charge instead of that we should be in charge of policy we’re experts of

[-] MeowdyPardner@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

This would be amazing. Imagine having climate scientists at the EPA...

[-] unerds@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I think there's a balancing point where people in positions to exercise political will would use data to inform their decisions... I feel like that was probably the objective.

[-] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Technocrats are just policy wonks who have more money to give to Patreon

[-] sazey@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Scientists would end up causing a bigger genocide than a despotic politician could ever dream of. King, CEO, a farmer or a baker, whoever is put in charge should have to suffer the consequences of their failures too instead of being allowed to quietly shuffle off to cushy speaking gigs at the expense of wider society. Bring back decimations and obligatory seppuku for politicians, economists, central bankers and other policy makers I say. Even if it proves worse than the current regime in place, at least it will be an entertaining slide to hell.

[-] voodooattack@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I personally dream of a technocratic demarchy model of governance where decision makers are chosen randomly from a pool of qualified professionals who opt-in for a given field.

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