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submitted 4 months ago by mozz@mbin.grits.dev to c/politics@lemmy.world

This stupid topic again

But sure

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[-] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 158 points 4 months ago

I will vote for any Democrat but I would prefer it not be Kamala

[-] dudinax@programming.dev 78 points 4 months ago

I preferred not to vote for Biden but he turned out to be a good president.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 55 points 4 months ago

He turned out to be a decent president, except for the massive, glaring failure to build any sort of meaningful bulwark against fascism. He had, like, the absolute best justification and mandate to aggressively crack down on the neofascists with Jan 6, but he pussyfooted around and dragged his feet on fucking everything so much that basically nothing has been dealt with or constructively changed since the coup attempt occurred.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 30 points 4 months ago

I love how you skip the part where Congress blocked everything the SCotUS didn't. That's so efficient.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 months ago

There are a LOT of things he could have done in a lot of areas that require neither Congress nor the courts.

Not to mention, he was so goddamn focused on “reaching across the aisle” that he picked a guy for AG that clearly doesn’t have a strong interest in, you know, preventing the fascists from winning, because he’s in the same party as the fascists.

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[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 146 points 4 months ago
[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 57 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Bernie is too old, she'd be my top pick in Congress by far.

But the Party probably wants to go maximum hail corporate neoliberal, especially when there isn't a pesky primary to deal with, because thats what they're paid to do.

You know, someone who will come to continue to protect our beloved economy... from our society and the needs of our people. Better than fascism, but just extending the meaningless subsistence in service to the owner class.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 34 points 4 months ago

AOC isn’t even in the conversation though. I think she’d face fierce opposition to even getting the nomination. She’s a pretty divisive figure.

[-] dudinax@programming.dev 51 points 4 months ago

She’s a pretty divisive figure.

Not for anything she does, AFAICT.

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 34 points 4 months ago

Republicans are terrified of her. She's young, attractive, charismatic, outspoken, and intelligent to say nothing of her being a woman of color. They are giving her the full Hillary treatment. It seems like she'll be a bit harder for them to tarnish that way, but not for lack of trying.

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[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The fact that she’s a conservative bogeyman is kind of besides the point. The neoliberal, corporate-friendly leadership of the DNC would NEVER let her get close to the nomination. They did the same thing to Bernie 8 and 4 years ago.

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[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 4 months ago

She's a "radical" to centrists

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

yeah but the democratic party would rather lose the election than nominate her.

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[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

And Katy Porter

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[-] knightly@pawb.social 105 points 4 months ago
[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 4 months ago

Exactly. Like yeah girl spit your facts, but we will take what we can get and the age and health resilience are legitimate concerns we've been having. Kamala solves the age issue, that's progress to me. I don't want the president to be a puppet of someone who no one voted for.

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[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 81 points 4 months ago

The courts are bad now people think, wait till more seats are replaced.

People don’t understand what a big deal this is. Corrupting the trusted-by-tradition institutions like the courts is one way fascists can get the whole country in a chokehold.

Gunned down a bunch of BLM protestors? Eh, they were asking for it. Probation.

Climate change demonstration? 10 years

We’re already about 60% of the way there. It’s already happening that people are committing really major crimes and it’s okay if they’re on the right team.

VOTE

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[-] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 75 points 4 months ago

Ugh. I agree that Kamala sucks, but I think it’d be a mistake to try to go with anyone else at this point. She has a pulse, a functional brain, lots of political experience, a long life ahead of her, and yeah, she’s made some terrible decisions and gaffs in her career, just like Joe Biden.

I don’t like that she was a cop, but Joe Biden chaired the Senate Judiciary committee for like 100 years, and got us Clarence Thomas, so…nobody has the moral high ground here.

We just need to win, and frankly I think if we try to go with someone new and untested, we’ll lose. We’ve been in a “lesser of two evils” situation for some time now.

[-] knightly@pawb.social 24 points 4 months ago

There's weeks left to go 'til the convention, plenty of time to run an actual primary if the DNC wanted to.

[-] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Ideally, yeah, but think about the logistics of pulling something like that off. And would it be a full primary redo? Like fresh ballots sent out to all dems? Or do you mean a mini primary just with the existing delegates? Because we already voted in the Democratic primary election…

I’m just really trying to be pragmatic about this, I can’t imagine a scenario where we pull this off and come out stronger. I would love to be wrong.

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[-] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 68 points 4 months ago

Nothing hurts a political campaign more than uncertainty.

I’ll bet the MAGA camp is loving this shit right now.

[-] Audacious@sh.itjust.works 48 points 4 months ago

They are probably pushing it.

[-] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 18 points 4 months ago

They absolutely are. And they’re doing it right in our faces.

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[-] moon@lemmy.cafe 57 points 4 months ago

Does anyone like Kamala lol

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 49 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm going to vote Democrat.

Straight ticket.

Just like every freaking year because i'm too scared to vote Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communist Party.

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[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 42 points 4 months ago

I'm voting for the administration that will keep democracy alive in our country.

And it's 🔵🔵🔵

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 42 points 4 months ago

eh I'll take Kamela. It'd be hillarious to see a racist beaten by a black woman

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 months ago

I'd do it just to own the cons

[-] spikkedd@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Just remember that during the 2016 election, the "If not Bernie, then Trump" bros turned out to be Russian interference.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's just Russia trying to split the Dem base.

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[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 26 points 4 months ago

AOC should run. I'd vote for her.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago

Harris has done so little I had to think for a second to remember what her name was. Other VP have really gotten coverage, like Pence or Gore. But Harris has really stayed mostly on the sidelines.

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Kamala and AOC would be a lit ticket. I still think we're barreling towards another Reagan era victory by doing this. But that "medical emergency" + instant COVID was almost a sign from the universe.

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[-] lps2@lemmy.ml 23 points 4 months ago

She's not wrong. The only people I know who support / like Kamala work in the administration

[-] kingshrubb@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

I'd prefer Buttigieg simply because he is such an effective communicator. Other than that I'd prefer someone much more leftist than him.

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[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 22 points 4 months ago

Kamala is a brown lady cop. EVERYONE hates her and she was kept out of the spotlight for a reason.

If we do drop Biden, she is it. But anyone leaping at that is a useful idiot, at best

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[-] kromem@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

The whole "but they might not be on the ballot in Ohio" rings a lot less worrisome when you see that Trump is +9 in the state vs Biden:

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[-] Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 19 points 4 months ago

Well it's risky either way. That said Kamala as vp was supposed to represent the "in case of emergency break glass" younger democrat - not too left, just neolib enough for the party, yet younger - that would step in if Biden's age became an issue.

It's now an issue and she didn't play a role in reassuring the public, so...

[-] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

As damning as it is to the US, the best bet for winning is a good-looking, smooth-talking white guy who will look presidential when compared with Trump.

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