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[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 309 points 5 months ago

Kind of.

Harris: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kamala_harris/412678

Sanders: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357

There are some who voted ideologically closer. But the fact that she’s somewhere between Sanders and Warren is reassuring.

[-] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago

That's a crazy helpful site. Thanks for sharing.

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[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 205 points 5 months ago

the desperate mud slinging from the GOP is going to be hilarious. i'll never forget when they tried to shit on AOC because she was caught gasp dancing in some student project music video.

and god-fucking-forbid anyone ever tends bar for money

[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 106 points 5 months ago

They're just mad that she's an attractive young POC

[-] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 87 points 5 months ago

They hate women so much, it's crazy.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

Especially women of color.

[-] casmael@lemm.ee 43 points 5 months ago

They’re just mad ~~that she’s an attractive young person of colour~~

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

It’s all manufactured outrage. In reality they don’t give a fuck since they are all dead inside. It’s the tan suit scandal all over again. If they have zero qualms with Melania being a former nude model and Trump’s infidelity then them being mad about someone dancing is all just theatrics. It means they have nothing on her.

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[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 91 points 5 months ago

Scandalous! clutches pearls

[-] expatriado@lemmy.world 50 points 5 months ago

never seen this clip before, i have been getting the wrong political gifs

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 60 points 5 months ago

She's still got it!

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 47 points 5 months ago

What the fuck, is that a woman having fun? Dems are absolute degenerates, unbelievable. She's smiling. What is wrong with you people?

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 46 points 5 months ago

they see no problem lambasting this, while voting for pornstar hush money paying con man rapist

[-] BlorpTheHagraven@startrek.website 15 points 5 months ago

Well, he's a man.

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[-] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 34 points 5 months ago

This better not turn me into a socialist or something

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Resistance is futile. Surrender to the glory of Socialist Mommy.

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[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 34 points 5 months ago

I hold no doubt in my heart that they absolutely hated this because they found her hot.

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 13 points 5 months ago

she's undeniably super attractive, but what they hate most is that they fear her. they know that she will humiliate any one of them in a debate, and people love her for it. so they lash out and talk about her bartending days, thinking that it's an attack because that's just how fucking dumb they are

[-] Schmuppes@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

She is. And that video was.

[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago

I'm surprised Project 2025 doesn't call for a ban on dancing.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

What was Boebert doing before she got her GED at like 30?

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[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 10 points 5 months ago

You're totally ignoring that she had her hair done and stuff

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[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 70 points 5 months ago

is this true? I know nothing about US politics, but everything I hear from/about Bernie makes him sound awesome.

[-] puppetx@lemmy.world 52 points 5 months ago

As a fan of Bernie this fantastic news, I want to hug the scroll if it can be corroborated.

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 49 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I would imagine it depends a lot on how you quantify things, there's all sorts of procedural votes and "renaming a post office" bills with no real substance that you could reasonably argue should or shouldn't be included, to say nothing of ranking the partisan quality of different legislation (like, if Sanders and Harris both voted the same way in a routine budget bill that got unanimous support, should that count the same as them voting the same on some legislation he sponsored that failed or something?).

That all said, this CNN article I found from 2020 makes it sound more true than not, but there's some nuance - tl;dr, at the start of her career as a state AG she did some more conservativ-ish things, but she's been consistently more and more progressive since then.

My personal opinion is that she's willing to change her positions a lot if she thinks that's where voters are going, which isn't perfect, but it's a lot better than the last generation of Democratic leaders who are also willing to change their positions a lot but think voters are way more conservative than they actually are (because that generation is still stuck in the 1980s). Kamala didn't start talking about Medicare for All until Bernie made it popular, but when he did she didn't have a problem jumping on board (unlike Biden, who would only ever go as far as public option).

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website 18 points 5 months ago

Isn't it good that she is willing to change her position if she thinks that's where the voters are going. It seems to me that nobody really cares what the voters are thinking.

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yes and no imo, our political leaders should be responsive to the desires of the people they lead, but on rare occasions the people are stupid and need to be told so (e.g. for most of the 1960s, civil rights were not popular), and a lot of the time leaders need to help people recognize problems or opportunities that haven't been widely discussed by the media or other politicians before (e.g. universal healthcare, basic income, safe drug use sites, etc.).

Bad leaders do whatever public opinion polls say or whatever they want, good leaders find a way to do what they can without compromising on the values they ran on, great leaders find a way to move public opinion polls closer to them. Kamala is a good leader, not a great one, imo.

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[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 44 points 5 months ago

Pretty close to it, yeah.

Sanders is more of a populist and idealist, while Harris is more pragmatic. Sanders has voted against a lot of things that were 95% positive because they had 5% awful shit, while Harris (and Warren, for that matter) would tend to vote for them to get policy points through. That means that while Sanders remains 'pure', Harris (and, again, Warren) end up being more effective.

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[-] VonCesaw@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago

Bernie is pushing for what is standard governmental procedures in areas of Europe like France, Germany, Sweden, or Norway

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 47 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Should be noted that these kind of statistics are typically heavily influenced by the sheer number of garbage bills like what to rename a post office. Specific major issues is more the problem actual voters have.

[-] kofe@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

If the stats lean closer to Bernie's record than others (I'd have to do some research to see, but let's assume) then it's still more of an indication she'll be better than the others she's being compared to on major issues. Biden is on record saying he wouldn't sign a bill for universal healthcare, but he's still better than Trump overall.

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[-] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago

Whoa, really? Is there somewhere I can verify this?

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

It's not accurate. But she did vote closer to him than most other Democrats.

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[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 23 points 5 months ago

Oh shit is she a secret progressive???

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 57 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

She's a good person and a political pragmatist, who is willing to concede a point to gain ten. She has, like most intelligent adults, evolved farther and farther left to embrace reality.

(While those in the the Wrong Wing cling to their assorted bigotries and boogiemen, as they lose all grip on sanity and embrace a venal madman as their Savior.)

For what it's worth, I've helped her in a retail context and she was the good kind of customer.

[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago

Damn. A good customer in a retail setting. Now that's how I know someone's an actual good person. Having worked like 10 years of retail front line, that alone make me want to vote for her more. Lol.

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 5 months ago

For what it's worth, I've helped her in a retail context and she was the good kind of customer.

Not that I needed more reason than "let's not have fascism", but that's a big endorsement to me.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

She was never secret about it. She just got painted as a hard conservative in the 2020 primaries.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 10 points 5 months ago

Not exactly secret, most of the stuff progressives find objectionable are basically just she had a job that progressives attach to systemic problems and didn't throw her career away by not doing it to be a better progressive.

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website 12 points 5 months ago

This has to be verified. Like if this is true, then this can be one of the main messages. No?

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[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

I'm all for Kamala. What the coconut refers to.

https://youtu.be/ZiRSLYV1X4A?si=UCrlCkZBV4kVpGtU

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