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[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 309 points 1 year ago

Kind of.

Harris: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kamala_harris/412678

Sanders: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357

There are some who voted ideologically closer. But the fact that she’s somewhere between Sanders and Warren is reassuring.

[-] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

That's a crazy helpful site. Thanks for sharing.

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[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 70 points 1 year ago

is this true? I know nothing about US politics, but everything I hear from/about Bernie makes him sound awesome.

[-] puppetx@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

As a fan of Bernie this fantastic news, I want to hug the scroll if it can be corroborated.

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I would imagine it depends a lot on how you quantify things, there's all sorts of procedural votes and "renaming a post office" bills with no real substance that you could reasonably argue should or shouldn't be included, to say nothing of ranking the partisan quality of different legislation (like, if Sanders and Harris both voted the same way in a routine budget bill that got unanimous support, should that count the same as them voting the same on some legislation he sponsored that failed or something?).

That all said, this CNN article I found from 2020 makes it sound more true than not, but there's some nuance - tl;dr, at the start of her career as a state AG she did some more conservativ-ish things, but she's been consistently more and more progressive since then.

My personal opinion is that she's willing to change her positions a lot if she thinks that's where voters are going, which isn't perfect, but it's a lot better than the last generation of Democratic leaders who are also willing to change their positions a lot but think voters are way more conservative than they actually are (because that generation is still stuck in the 1980s). Kamala didn't start talking about Medicare for All until Bernie made it popular, but when he did she didn't have a problem jumping on board (unlike Biden, who would only ever go as far as public option).

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website 18 points 1 year ago

Isn't it good that she is willing to change her position if she thinks that's where the voters are going. It seems to me that nobody really cares what the voters are thinking.

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes and no imo, our political leaders should be responsive to the desires of the people they lead, but on rare occasions the people are stupid and need to be told so (e.g. for most of the 1960s, civil rights were not popular), and a lot of the time leaders need to help people recognize problems or opportunities that haven't been widely discussed by the media or other politicians before (e.g. universal healthcare, basic income, safe drug use sites, etc.).

Bad leaders do whatever public opinion polls say or whatever they want, good leaders find a way to do what they can without compromising on the values they ran on, great leaders find a way to move public opinion polls closer to them. Kamala is a good leader, not a great one, imo.

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[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 44 points 1 year ago

Pretty close to it, yeah.

Sanders is more of a populist and idealist, while Harris is more pragmatic. Sanders has voted against a lot of things that were 95% positive because they had 5% awful shit, while Harris (and Warren, for that matter) would tend to vote for them to get policy points through. That means that while Sanders remains 'pure', Harris (and, again, Warren) end up being more effective.

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[-] VonCesaw@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Bernie is pushing for what is standard governmental procedures in areas of Europe like France, Germany, Sweden, or Norway

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Should be noted that these kind of statistics are typically heavily influenced by the sheer number of garbage bills like what to rename a post office. Specific major issues is more the problem actual voters have.

[-] kofe@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

If the stats lean closer to Bernie's record than others (I'd have to do some research to see, but let's assume) then it's still more of an indication she'll be better than the others she's being compared to on major issues. Biden is on record saying he wouldn't sign a bill for universal healthcare, but he's still better than Trump overall.

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[-] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

Whoa, really? Is there somewhere I can verify this?

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

It's not accurate. But she did vote closer to him than most other Democrats.

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[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 23 points 1 year ago

Oh shit is she a secret progressive???

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

She's a good person and a political pragmatist, who is willing to concede a point to gain ten. She has, like most intelligent adults, evolved farther and farther left to embrace reality.

(While those in the the Wrong Wing cling to their assorted bigotries and boogiemen, as they lose all grip on sanity and embrace a venal madman as their Savior.)

For what it's worth, I've helped her in a retail context and she was the good kind of customer.

[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Damn. A good customer in a retail setting. Now that's how I know someone's an actual good person. Having worked like 10 years of retail front line, that alone make me want to vote for her more. Lol.

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 year ago

For what it's worth, I've helped her in a retail context and she was the good kind of customer.

Not that I needed more reason than "let's not have fascism", but that's a big endorsement to me.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

She was never secret about it. She just got painted as a hard conservative in the 2020 primaries.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Not exactly secret, most of the stuff progressives find objectionable are basically just she had a job that progressives attach to systemic problems and didn't throw her career away by not doing it to be a better progressive.

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website 12 points 1 year ago

This has to be verified. Like if this is true, then this can be one of the main messages. No?

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[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I'm all for Kamala. What the coconut refers to.

https://youtu.be/ZiRSLYV1X4A?si=UCrlCkZBV4kVpGtU

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