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Major L for Japan

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[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 53 points 4 months ago

COVID was the dry run for how modern global capitalism handles a global crisis.

The answer: lol, lmao even

[-] miz@hexbear.net 33 points 4 months ago

What we see during COVID-19 is stark operational differences between nations where politicians are the top authorities, and nations where Capital is the top authority. We are endlessly told that nations with activist governments are unfree, and that any support for these governments must come from either a pathological culture of obedience or the threat of state violence. And yet socialist nations plainly outperformed capitalist ones in terms of fighting the virus. [12]

This analysis does not imply there were simply two modes of response: capitalist and socialist. Market domination is not a binary affair, and Capital doesn’t rule by decree. As Roberts puts it, the market doesn’t tell capitalists what to do — rather, they have to guess and prognosticate and forecast and hope. Capitalists don’t find out whether they did what the market wanted until after the fact. [13] People around the world defended themselves from the virus, repressing the political will of Capital, in proportion to what they could get away with politically and economically. In socialist states, resources were deployed as deemed necessary to meet the challenge. In capitalist states in the sphere of influence of socialist China, such as South Korea, capitalists offered a decent response, perhaps because catastrophic handling would create a domestic political shift in favour of socialism. In the imperial core, where white supremacy reigns and there is no political will whatsoever to look to China for a good example, self-assured capitalists simply allowed the plague to spread essentially unopposed. In fact, imperialists succeeded to a great extent in turning the ensuing resentment into a foreign policy weapon. [14] This isn’t isolated to the most proudly capitalist nations; the kind of political power, infrastructure, and resources needed to enforce a tolerable quarantine has been completely eroded in social democratic havens like Canada and Sweden. No notable political force in the West referred to socialist successes in their efforts to affect domestic COVID-19 response policy, and I attribute this mistake to chauvinism.

from https://redsails.org/why-marxism/

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 4 months ago

Exactly. I could also add the former socialist states, most of them still had some kind of anti-epidemic structures and procedure which weren't liquidated by liberals (probably by omission, it's not like libs ever expected plague in the first place) and had decent reaction at least at first, but then at some point they just cancelled it when capitalist orgs pressured governments.

[-] Edie@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

[12]

True Asian leadership, according to the Times editorial board, is helping white people, apparently.

Lol

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 23 points 4 months ago

Capitalism: "best I can do is make the situation even worse."

[-] HexbearGPT@hexbear.net 37 points 4 months ago

japan is a conformist society that has been made completely insane by adopting the lifestyle of 1945 america.

[-] Ishmael@hexbear.net 23 points 4 months ago

And yet its collectivism makes it a much more cooperative society than America. People take care of the commons instead of taking as much as they can before anyone else

[-] booty@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago

It's definitely one of the best arguments a person could make that capitalism is good actually. It's a safe, clean society full of people who are admittedly conservative freaks in a lot of ways but who usually aren't outright malicious about that like in America.

Unfortunately capitalism is not in fact good and while they're generally safe they're also sleeping at their office because they're too busy working or hanging out with their boss in socially mandatory outings to sleep at home, or fuck, or have hobbies lol

[-] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago

37% of chinese be like let them cook

[-] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago

I always knew anime was a bad influence on people.....

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago

At least most of them are following the volcel pledge

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 4 months ago

It's not a vol when you're too poor and overworked to have family

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

India above China? Do those many Chinese citizens believe in using capitalism to develop the productive forces to the point of seeing it as a net positive in a world where Socialism has already existed and thrived?

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 28 points 4 months ago

I don’t think most chinese people think about socialism at all

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago
[-] lil_tank@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago

CPC members surely do but no country, no matter how democratic, has ever ran on a the basis of the whole population being very involved in politics

Ultimately a ton of people wish to simply be represented, and they usually do when their lives are alright so they might as well have bad analysis it doesn't matter much

[-] red_stapler@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago

I suspect a survey conducted by cracker stick to the western friendly areas?

[-] Pili@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

People in India are actually experiencing the brutality of capitalism, while Chinese people are living their best life in a cozy socialist state. They don't know what it's like.

[-] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

India sits on a volcano right now. Those farmer? protests where a bunch of people were waiving hammer-and-sickle flags a couple years ago had millions of people participate.

BJP, Hindu nationalism, et al have a hold on the country at the moment. But I could absolutely see something pop off in India this century. It has a “Russia in the 1870s” vibe to me. I think if there’s one country communists all over the world should learn about and pay attention to, it’s India (admittedly I don’t even know how to go about that, I’ve never been able to find much in English at least).

[-] crime@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago

India even has at least one state with strong communist presence (Kerala), iirc it's been governed by a communist coalition for a while

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

Crazy results for japan here lmao

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Very little of that in France or the US is genuine unfortunately. They're mostly socdems or "eurocommunists" who want social services on the backs of the global south's workers.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 3 points 4 months ago

The "richest" countries in the world...

Gee, wonder how they ~~exploit their entire population and poor nations peoples~~ got to be that way?

Why would we not ~~have a society that actually improves the life of their population~~ be happy!?

Must be entitled millennials. Stupid avocados.

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