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[-] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago

It can be done fast, right, or cheap: choose two porky-scared

porky-happy choose zero

[-] LocalOaf@hexbear.net 48 points 2 months ago

pete

Clearly they need more McKinsey consultants to improve efficiency

[-] ASaltPepper@lemmy.one 13 points 2 months ago

Hopefully their new coworker Agent-X is just the management push they need

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

Disclaimer: Agent-X is a derivative of leftover Agent O left over from the Vietnam war.

[-] miz@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

while this product is totally safe, we recommend wearing a full-hood respirator and gloves when handing it out to local children

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 2 months ago

Well yeah. Think how many ways those consultants can help cut more corners to slightly make more money over time.

Get money by dragging it out and asking for more time and money

[-] elpaso@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

The fact they moved their management to Chicago to avoid their union workers and engineers was so cowardly.

What makes it even better is that Chicago was chosen because it's a big home for MBAs and management consultants.

Fuck them.

[-] dkr567@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

"What are we? godless communists? MBAs and consultants are all we need." - The west.

[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 39 points 2 months ago

Due to competition, Capitalism always finds the most efficient way to spend resources.

[-] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago

Overbudget? Lol

Classify it as a black project and funding will be irrelevant

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago

Muh Soviet inefficiency

[-] MelaniaTrump@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

“We let our product quality speak for itself and it’s a proud testament to our commitment to shareholder value and executive compensation,” said a Boeing spokesperson.

[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago

Can't a real country like China save them?

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago

No, because NASA needs both FBI and Congressional approval to co-operate with Chinese space programs due to the Wolf Amendment.

Despite Chinese spacecraft being based on the Soyuz and should be compatible with the ISS, China is effectively banned from the ISS.

[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago

I hate amerikkka so much it's unreal

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

1: Exclude China from the ISS and co-operative spaceflight technology and advancements just to be a dick

2: Retire your (mediocre) space shuttle program, opting to outsource spaceflight entirely to privately owned space programs

3: China develops a successful domestic space programme in less time with a better build quality, lands on the moon and launches a domestic manned space station

4: Private spaceflight is dodgy, unsafe, overpriced and SEVEN YEARS behind schedule, this stranding your astronauts for 6+ months, with no telling if the 2025 estimate would actually happen because the backup plan to Boeing is Elon Musk's SpaceX

5: ???

6: Profit(?)

See at this stage, I feel like if the US repealed the amendment, apologized and simply asked China politely, those astronauts could probably be brought back within 2 weeks. But it's an election year so idk if the Dems want to appear weak on China. Sucks to be a USian astronaut right now.

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

One correction: the space shuttle was not just mediocre, it was the worst human spaceflight vehicle of all time

[-] Futterbinger@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

Chinas gonna launch a moom mission just to do a kickflip over the apollo 11 flag on a moon skateboard.

[-] miz@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

that would be an incredible photo, soaring over that now-sunbleached-totally-white flag with the earthrise in the background

[-] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago

How does it feel when you know your life depends on 150,000 parts all bought from the lowest bidder?

[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago

Lol, even post Soviet Russia still knows to use the Soyuz and to not fuck with it.

[-] Judge_Juche@hexbear.net 35 points 2 months ago

Roscosmos atleast still have all the plans and drawings for the Soyuz family. NASA literally can't build another Saturn 5 rocket becuase all the companies that originally built it either merged or folded and most of the technical documentation is lost. NASA of course didn't try and archive any of it becuase it was the intellectual property of the five thousand subcontractors they used

[-] CommunistBear@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

Truly a deeply deranged system

[-] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's crazy. I believe you, but I would love to know more if you have any suggested reading (also, a certain friend of mine will never believe me unless I have a source)

Edit: this article from Forbes is pretty good: https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2015/12/11/how-we-lost-the-ability-to-travel-to-the-moon/?sh=5591709a1f48

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago

My country is looking to privatize trash management and I really do not understand why that decision is popular (among voters, not politicians) when almost every example of privatisation is things turning to shit

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

Because people have this belief that anything government run is inefficient while private businesses don’t have that problem

[-] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

Can any non-burgerlanders here confirm that Boeing looks like organized crime from an outside perspective?

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago

Organized crime seems more organised.

This just seems to be regular, negligent crime with witness intimidation.

[-] christian@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

This is so humbling. I'm an arrogant American myself and didn't think I needed an outside perspective on this issue at all until that user asked.

[-] Rom@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

But capitalism is the best system we have, apparently

[-] peeonyou@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

more than that, it's the only system that works at all ever in the history of the context of all in which you live and all that came before you!

[-] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

I'm just blown away that somehow this didn't happen to Elon's rockets

[-] someone@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

I think they're a few big reasons for that. Insert usual caveat about how I have nothing but contempt for the absentee figurehead shithead-in-chief, and my praise here is strictly for the actual engineers, technicians, and scientists doing the real work. Or to put it another way: they're not really Elon's rockets!

First, SpaceX is immune to Wall Street shenanigans because they're not publicly traded and have no debt. They're a private company that's been profitable most of its existence. There's no share price to screw with, no loans to use as leverage over management, no way to do a hostile takeover.

Second, SpaceX is extremely vertically integrated. They make most of their own stuff. They very rarely outsource anything. When they do, it's more like a "job interview" than a long-term arrangement. If the company they outsource to doesn't deliver, they're never used again. If they do deliver, SpaceX buys them. SpaceX also has an extremely advanced and centralized system for managing all aspects of all projects. Imagine Allende's Project Cybersyn but just for aerospace. Does Boeing even make its own jetliner wings anymore?

Third, right now SpaceX lives and dies by the reliability of its Falcon 9 rocket, especially the reused first stages. Without Falcon 9, they'd be dead in the water, no payload going up, no customer cash coming in, no resources available for Starship R&D. As part of the cost-savings reusability, they need to do a huge amount of QA on technical aspects that a lot of other rocket manufacturers might not care about recording for a disposable rocket.

[-] gila@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

Uh, Starship was supposed to fly manned missions to the moon next month. In its most recent tests last year it went out of control in LEO, without even carrying any payload.

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

Those astronauts are gonna be up there a long time lol

[-] Hexbear2@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago

This Boeing Rocket Fiasco could end up being the Titan submersible disaster 2.0.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

They should consult the experts obaida-index

[-] Bobson_Dugnutt@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

If you gave Boeing's budget to Hamas they'd have a moon base by next week

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