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A Took and a Brandybuck (sh.itjust.works)
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[-] Pringles@lemm.ee 119 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This only goes for the movies. In the books they have arranged a house for Frodo on the eastern border of the Shire, where he will go lay low for several months before going to Rivendell. Merry, Pippin and Fatty Bolger have figured out the plan months in advance and made their own plans, in such a way that when the black riders arrive in the region, they leave within 5 minutes and have a route planned out already.

Also, it's tobacco as clearly mentioned in the books. They are probably quite drunk in this scene though.

Edit: and of course Samwise was also involved in the plans, he was the one who told them. Frodo was being played by all his close friends.

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 53 points 10 months ago

I came here for the book pedantry and you were fast and detailed but super nice about it, so my negative online instincs are only partially satisfied. 7/10.

[-] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Merry, Pippin and Fatty Bolger have figured out the plan months in advance and made their own plans, in such a way that when the black riders arrive in the region, they leave within 5 minutes and have a route planned out already.

I forgot about that part; thanks for reminding me. I watched the film the previous night, but it's obviously time for a reread :)

[-] yngmnwntr@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

I don't mind Tom Bombadil being left out (he and Goldberry deserve their own Middle Earth Musical) but my man Fatty Bolger was done dirty in the movies.

[-] smeg@feddit.uk 7 points 10 months ago

A Conspiracy Unmasked

[-] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 56 points 10 months ago

I'm sorry to be that guy, but in the prologue to the book, theres a whole section titled "Concerning Pipe-weed", where Tolkien talks about how the plant spread around middle-earth, and specifically mentions it's a type of tobacco.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

I beg to differ.

(Yes this is an example of life imitating art, but as the other person said, isn't it so much more fun to pretend?)

[-] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 7 points 10 months ago

hahah, of course :)

[-] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 7 points 10 months ago

Life imitates art, art imitates life, and here's me unsure of what the difference is anymore.

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I laud your devotion to accuracy, but I also offer some middle ground. Tobacco itself is known to possess psychoactive properties, and Middle-earth, insofar as it can be said to be a precursor to the modern world at all (for Tolkien himself drifted away from this idea later in his life and work), is eons in the past, when many things were heightened. So it's not so far a leap to imagine that pipeweed could have had as much in common with modern strains of marijuana as it did with what we call tobacco.

After all, our own tobacco originated in the Americas, probably somewhere in the region of modern Bolovia, and was not commonly used in Europe until the 16th Century. If one allows the conceit that Middle-earth represents a primordial version of modern Europe, then it follows that pipeweed itself also originated in the West (for was it not said to have been imported from Númenor, that land blessed by the Valar?). If indeed it was a strain of nicotiana, then it must have been of a varietal so pleasant to smoke that even the Valar themselves partook of it. At some point, it died out in the lands of Men, and was forgotten until its rediscovery by colonial exchanges with the indigenous people of the Americas.

TL;dr: Pipeweed is not weed, nor is it something modern people would recognize as garden variety tobacco. It's better than either of those things.

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 10 months ago

Isn't it more fun and whimsical to imagine something else though? That's the great thing about fiction: it can be whatever you want it to be.

[-] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 6 points 10 months ago

thats why i was sorry ;)

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

I’m sorry to be that guy

lol no you're not.

[-] Dadifer@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago

I'm pretty sure it was tabacco.

[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago

It explicitly and unambiguously was tobacco, but it's still funny to think it was weed. Peter Jackson certainly liked to imply it was.

[-] smeg@feddit.uk 9 points 10 months ago

I think there's an interview with Billy Boyd where he talks about filming this scene in a few different ways, as if they were happy, drunk, or stoned.

[-] BreadOven@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago
[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The books, Tolkien's letters, and a section of the appendices at the end of RoTK all explicitly say it's tobacco.

Speaking of Hobbits, Tolkien wrote:

they imbibed or inhaled, through pipes of clay or wood, the smoke of the burning leaves of a herb, which they called pipe-weed or leaf, a variety probably of Nicotiana [tobacco plant].

Tolkien was a big smoker. You rarely see pics of him without a pipe in his mouth.

Plus, given the Hobbit was released in 1937 in England, it's likely that Tolkien didn't even know what Cannabis was. He'd certainly be unaware of its future popularity/cultural relevance.

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Cannabis had at least some level of presence in Europe for centuries. Robert Hooke, a contemporary of and fierce rival to Isaac Newton experimented with it in 1689. Still though, I have no idea to what extent. You may well be right that Tolkien never heard of it.

[-] TheMinions@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

I’ve heard it both ways.

[-] BowtiesAreCool@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago
[-] dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago

Cone on, son!

[-] BreadOven@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I didn't believe it's explicitly stated what exactly it is. Just the mention of different strains and flavors.

[-] Transtronaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 10 months ago

Accuracy aside, I would love to see someone take this idea and turn it into a parody/remake from their perspective in the style of "Harold and Kumar go to Whitecastle".

[-] Spesknight@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago
[-] BreadOven@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago
[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 11 points 10 months ago

Their local field that is multiple days’ travel away and further than Sam has ever been (and they all know who Farmer Maggot is).

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 10 points 10 months ago

That's consistent with Sam's station as a humble gardener, not a member of the loose aristocracy class like Frodo or Merry and Pippin, who had the leisure and wont to go out a-walking just for fun - and also those latter had relatives near the south of the Shore, and so would have reason to visit the area.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

"gayarsonist" and "gaycaspian". What are the odds.

[-] smeg@feddit.uk 9 points 10 months ago

Well it is tumblr, so higher than you think

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Lots of gay people on Tumblr? Or what's the implication?

[-] smeg@feddit.uk 3 points 10 months ago

Yeah tumblr always seemed like a decent LGBT friendly space (or at least it is in half the screenshots I see, I never used it myself)

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Well that's pretty cool, at least. 👍

[-] dhhyfddehhfyy4673@fedia.io 7 points 10 months ago
[-] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to got the title. Turns out, not long at all :)

[-] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Basically pineapple Express

[-] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Peregrin and Meriadoc go to the White Castle

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