Despite Ukraine’s Kursk invasion gamble, Russia is closing in on a big victory (www.thetimes.com)

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[+] Roonerino@hexbear.net 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

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[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 month ago

look it's a tough job being a western propagandist nowadays

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

Also lol @ the old lady saying "fuck russians" while literally having been saved from the Nazis by the red army as a child.

No fucking sympathy for her

[-] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

I think it's pretty understandable some random old lady would resent the situation

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

She would resent getting saved from being murdered by Nazis?

Like sure she may have been disgruntled having her life upended in the moment but surely she wouldn't still be holding that grudge 40 years later given what they were going to do to her if she hadn't been put on that train. This comment just reads like Nazi apologia.

[-] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

Yes, obviously. I meant her city being invaded currently

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

So now the city is being "invaded" to stop the same sort of pogroms she faced back then, except this time the "invaders" are Russian so now it's their fault? what the hell are you even saying?

[-] RomCom1989@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

I don't think someone who was rescued by the Red Army as a child is likely to be a rabid fascist

As commrade pepperoni stated, pending any photos of her shrine to Bandera, she is probably someone who is very understandably a bit incensed by the war unfolding in her part of the world,with the front lines rapidly approaching her home

Not running defense for the Azov battalion here,but the average citizen of this region has been so thoroughly trounced repeatedly since the nineties that they're bound to have these kinds of opinions, especially considering that the frontline is advancing closer and closer to home

I mean,I have seen a glimpse of what this war looks like in real life and I think even regardless of my opinions now,if the war would move to my home,id have a hard time being a ok with the people dropping bombs on my town,even if my government is horrible and captured by western interests

[-] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

I wouldn't expect her to see it that way. Imagine the propaganda you're bombarded with living in Ukraine

[-] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My comment or the old lady's? My point is that I wouldn't expect historically nuanced takes from random civilians in this situation.

spoiler

This is assuming the old lady in question does not have a giant Bandera shrine in her house or something, in which case fuck her

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

I think it’s less of a “despite” and more of a “because of”

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 month ago

Absolutely, pulling resources from the areas of the front that are already collapsing is only accelerating the pace of the collapse.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

I think "despite" is the wrong word here.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 month ago

I think that brilliant nato analysts expected that Russia would be forced to divert forces to Kursk which would allow Ukraine to stabilize the lines in the east. Instead, the exact opposite happened.

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

But in my HOI4 games the enemy surrenders when I have enough victory points!

[-] kittin@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

UMM WHY IS THE AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE MOURNING THE WAFFEN-SS

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 month ago

we know why

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