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submitted 2 months ago by Alsephina@lemmy.ml to c/books@lemmy.ml

When libraries across the country temporarily closed in the early days of the pandemic, the Internet Archive, an organization that digitizes and archives materials like web pages and music, had the idea to make its library of scanned books free to read in an online database.

The question of that library’s legality became a long-running saga that may have finally ended on Wednesday, when an appeals court affirmed that the Internet Archive violated copyright laws by redistributing those books without a licensing agreement.

The decision, by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Manhattan, is a victory for the major book publishers that brought the lawsuit in 2020, and could set a precedent over the lawfulness of broader digital archives.

A federal court ruled against the Internet Archive in March 2023, and the archive removed many works from its online library of books. It appealed the decision last September.

A final appeal could potentially be taken to the Supreme Court. In a statement, the Internet Archive said it was “reviewing the court’s opinion and will continue to defend the rights of libraries to own, lend and preserve books.”

In its appeal, the nonprofit argued that its Free Digital Library was protected by so-called fair use laws, and that scanning the books was a transformative use of the material done in the public interest. The court firmly rejected that claim.

“People are worried about book bannings and the defunding of libraries, but I don’t know that there is really an awareness of what’s going on in the movement toward license-only access to electronic material,” Brewster Kahle, the founder and digital librarian of the Internet Archive, said in an interview on Wednesday.

Libraries are “not just a Netflix reseller of books to their patrons,” he added. “Libraries have always been more than that.”

Unlike traditional libraries, which pay licensing fees to publishers to make their books available for lending, the Internet Archive acquires copies through donated or purchased books to scan and put online. The nonprofit is also known for the Wayback Machine, a popular database of past web pages.

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[-] penquin@lemm.ee 32 points 2 months ago

They'll never win completely. They close one thing, 10 other open. They shut down the Z-library and look how many others there are. Anna's archive is by far the best I have seen. They can all suck it

[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 months ago

This is why stuff like this should be hosted in Russia or China...

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 months ago

Really? Both of those countries have tight controls over their intranets.

Kazakhstan, on the other hand, has done quite well with a similar enterprise….

[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

ah yes two countries that are well known for their freedom and easy access to information. gtfoh

Criticize authoritarian governments and who shows up? Hexbear squad

[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 months ago

Tons of piracy sites are hosted in Russia. They're comparatively lenient on it.

[-] RubicTopaz@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah that idiot probably doesn't have much experience pirating.

cs.rin.ru, kemono.su, rutracker.net, etc. are all in Russia. Their social media platform Vkontakte is also full of pirated content. Hosting this in the US instead was doomed from the start.

[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website -1 points 2 months ago

Its not just about pirated content it's about censorship from the state. Do you think China will have no issue with all of the things hosted on the archive that directly go against their ideology? Host in a country that isn't a totalitarian state.

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

US is literally the worst country to host "copyrighted" content. It's a oligarch run shithole, all the courts work for them.

Heck even western Europe clears the US.

[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 0 points 2 months ago

When did I ever say to host content in the US?

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

My point was that if you want to host western copyrighted content, it's adversaries are usually a good choice.

Regardless it's clear that you are just a dick who wants to stir shit.

[-] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

@startrek.liberalism showing its ass again

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

Is it the bell riots yet?

[-] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

Unlike traditional libraries, which pay licensing fees to publishers to make their books available for lending,

i didn't even know they did that I thought they just bought books and it was legal to lend them out because that's the fucking point of a library

[-] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

Probably depends on the country, I'm pretty sure here in Spain you can donate books to libraries, and I highly doubt they go to the publisher and call them to ask "hey, want any good ol' buckaroos?"

[-] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

Depends on what it is. Universities spend millions of dollars on academic journals. I imagine libraries have collections which are similar. Still doesn't make it right

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I could act disappointed and depressed, but I never stopped pirating ebooks.

[-] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

As if acting in one's own self interest in that way is analogous.

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