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Reading about the family Holy shit what a bunch of fuckups.
Mom was crazy as fuck and dad was just as fucked up. This kid never had a chance. Hopefully, the sibling is removed from them because Gawd damn those some fucked up people.
I feel kind of bad for the mom. The woman was an industrial engineer and ended up losing her kids due to drug use? I feel like there's a couple steps we're missing there and I can't imagine any of them are pretty.
TLDR about the family?
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Here is a link that talks about the family.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/colt-gray-suspect-georgia-shooter/index.html
“Finally separated from my abusive husband of almost 14yrs,” she wrote in one LinkedIn comment on a post from December 2022. “Hardest shit I’ve ever done but we’re in good hands.”
Jesus Christ, LinkedIn for shit like this?
After reading about his home life is it fair to charge a 14 year old as an adult?
Does that mean we're out of the thoughtx and prayerx phase and we can talk about sensible gun control?
You must be new here.
This is America. Guns' rights are above all others.
In this case, the sensible gun control would be "Your minor son got investigated by the FBI for wanting to shoot up a school, no you can't buy a gun."
But nobody got convicted so the investigation doesn't count!
But nobody got convicted so the investigation doesn't count!
The Due Process Clause will do that.
I appreciate your intent with this, but one of our fundamental rights is due process. Penalizing an individual for simply being investigated would violate that right.
I’m not sure I’m willing to participate in experimenting with a US government where due process is wishy washy. I remember how horny we got for suspending habeas corpus via the patriot act.
It's going to be easier to make a legislative change like that than it is to make a constitutional change on guns.
But as it is, we already suspend gun rights without a conviction, maybe you haven't seen the current ATF form 4473:
"21(c) Are you under indictment or information in any court for a felony, or any other crime for which the judge could imprison you for more than one year, or are you a current member of the military who has been charged with violation(s) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and whose charge(s) have been referred to a general court-martial?"
Change that to something like "Have you been investigated in the past 12 to 24 months..."
But I'd argue, if we want to get REALLY serious about shootings, each line on this form should read:
"Are you or anyone in your household..."
Being actively under indictment is a lot different than just being investigated. Indictment requires that sufficient evidence has been gathered, reviewed, and (for a federal case) at least 12 of 23 jurors in a grand jury believe there is at least a 50% chance that you have actually committed a crime (12/16 jurors at the state level).
By the time you have been indicted you have received a lot of due process resulting in a concrete belief that if you go to court you will be convicted of having committed a crime.
I’m not sure I’m willing to participate in experimenting with a US government where due process is wishy washy.
Lol welcome to the laboratory.
no prevent only punish
Mmm that's a real neat idea but you see if we could somehow get more guns into society, we might finally hit the critical mass where the t's and p's become irrelevant because of all the freedom, you see
We haven’t passed the number of deaths that make Americans start to feel like the deaths aren’t acceptable and that we should make any minor sacrifice to prevent them. I don’t know what the number is, but it’s at least higher than 1 million over 2 years.
If one gunman killed around 3k people we'd be in the range of invade 2 countries territory but I doubt it bring of calls for domestic gun control.
Well that’s just war. That’s like, a Tuesday. It’s already policy to wage war whenever there’s an excuse. Not going to war — now that would be tough. Lowering avoidable deaths is the thing we have a problem with.
Ah, the Zapp Brannigan strategy.
Pasta person, here in amurikuh were a reactive people, not proactive.
CNN publicizing the shooters name. Gotta make sure the shooters know they can be famous!
This is silly. Do you really think censoring shooter's names is going to do jack shit? Name the parkland shooter, or the Walmart shooter in Texas. I bet you can't. I know the average American can't.
This is an attractive idea because it gives us agency to punish these people somehow. We see them get wall-to-wall media coverage and incorrectly assume that's the motivation because it's hard to imagine shooting kids for any reason and the media coverage is the most available effect to us.
If that's not convincing, then just know that Tucker Carlson agrees with you.
Name the parkland shooter, or the Walmart shooter in Texas. I bet you can’t. I know the average American can’t.
The reason we can't name them is that THERE'S TOO FUCKING MANY OF THEM TO REMEMBER. I can't even remember the incidents you're talking about, let alone who did them.
I couldn’t tell you the Trump shooters name without googling and that was only a few months ago. But I could Google it. These people are famous yes but I don’t think that’s the motivation. Why the fuck would I care if I’m famous, I’m still dead.
The only solution is make it harder to get the guns in the first place and easier and less stigmatized to get the mental health care they need.
They aren’t thinking about being famous. If you’ve ever had suicidal thoughts like I have (long time ago, I’m fine) then you’ll know that you just want to impact the people that you feel did this to you. It’s a twisted way of thinking but that’s how it works.
So they aren’t concerned with being famous, they’re concerned about having a large impact and making people feel the suffering they feel. It’s not a coincidence that it’s young men that do this. It’s not a stretch going from “You failed as a parent, blame yourself for my death” to “You failed as a parent and caused me so much pain that other people will feel it and you should blame yourselves”.
But most people aren’t like that. They just want the pain to end and for the world to be sorry that they’re gone. They don’t care if they’ll be dead.
If either of those are familiar to you currently, please look at therapy or call a local hotline.
There's a famous case in Australia, the Port Arthur massacre, where the perp Bryant was heavily motivated by fame.
The police & prison wardens & media took special measures to ensure he didn't have his photo taken, because he would drive sadistic pleasure from knowing people would see him.
Mate, same reason they demolished Hitler's house and dumped Bin Laden's body. The freaks will always worship the remnants.
Wiping these fuckwits off the face of the planet is the best thing you can do. They certainly enjoy being infamous and others admire them.
With the amount of them these days does it make a difference? I get the idea for sure, and when there were less of them it was easier and made some sense, but these days you may as well be plugging the hoover dam with bubble gum. Even if all the mainstream outlets didn't say the name, someone will.
I do hope for better, but I don't think not printing a name is going to help.
Probably not, but printing a name certainly doesn't help.
The timeline the teen’s father provided to authorities would put the gun purchase months after authorities first contacted Gray and his family to investigate school shooting threats made online.
Dad sounds like a real idiot.
"Okay fine, but you have to pinky promise you won't shoot up any schools like you told those people online."
So the system successfully identified the kid as a threat, but was not able to prevent the shooting because the father bought the guy on behalf of the shooter.
How would you even prevent that? No way the 2a nuts would go for a temporary ban on firearm ownership (or at least new purchases) by family members. Besides something like that could be used maliciously very easily. You can't take all the kids who post edgy shit online into custody, we just don't have the budget and it's probably not the right move anyway.
You could mandate therapy or some other mental health intervention, like a biweekly visit with the school's counselor. But those nerds don't need any qualifications so they might not be able to identify a credible threat or help talk a shooter out of their (likely unknown to the counsellor) plans.
There are a gajillion things we could try, if not for the blind ignorance of the 2a nuts.
Life in prison!
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