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[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 167 points 2 months ago

Your boss did not give you vacation days. Your government/union did.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 73 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's not strictly true. In the US there is in most states NO requirements for paid leave outside of a few protected types. But not vacation or sick. And we also are largely not unionized. We still have time off albeit MUCH less than Europeans and such.

Though I'd argue the norm of having any paid time off is a byproduct of labor/union battles in the past.

[-] SirDerpy@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago

We're given just enough scraps to avoid mass unionization. That's because the last time it happened we got The New Deal. This time it'll be the Economic Bill of Rights. The leftist platform hasn't changed for 80 years.

[-] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 2 months ago

Would be nice if there were more voices calling for democracy in the workplace. That would change so many things and make concentration of wealth and political corruption much more difficult.

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[-] noxy@yiffit.net 12 points 2 months ago

Bullshit, neither are true for most people in the US.

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[-] arandomthought@sh.itjust.works 139 points 2 months ago

Tell me you work in the US without telling me you work in the US.

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[-] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 107 points 2 months ago

My current boss is by far the best one I've ever had.

It's me.

I've also got a great employee. That's me as well.

[-] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 49 points 2 months ago

Yeah but the sexual harassment never stops!

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago

Goes to HR:

"My boss grabbed my dick and shook the piss out of it in the bathroom! Then he made me go into a stall and wiped my ass to check if that risky fart he had noticed earlier was indeed just a fart!"

"No shit?"

"None!"

Then he sits down and makes himself an award certificate for best personal hygiene and another for most caring boss and wonders if talking to himself really means he's crazy.

[-] DeanFogg@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

HR: "You know what? Promotion!"

"For me or the boss?"

HR: "does it matter?"

[-] Entropywins@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago
[-] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 32 points 2 months ago

I wouldn't know. My office moves on 4 wheels and is full of tools. She's the one pulling the pranks on me and they're never good - just expensive.

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[-] portuga@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

I also choose this guy’s boss

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago

I've heard from friends who are self employed that this is a double edged sword. When you have an employer and take vacation, it feels like you've earned it and are taking time off at the expense of your employer. But when you're self employed it feels like you're just not getting paid.

One of my friends didn't take any time off for something like 5 years before realizing how incredibly bad that was for him.

[-] ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 months ago

Are these people related? I smell nepotism

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[-] jet@hackertalks.com 40 points 2 months ago

I've got 9 weeks of vacation saved up, and I must take it you say?

Ok, I'll see you in 9 weeks!

What do you mean, 9 week is too long to be gone? Make up your mind!

[-] Z3k3@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

In my younger days I witnessed this conversation

Guy was basically Brent (if you know you know) for a huge project. So on the 2st of Dec our boss phoned him and said he had 4 weeks to take before jan 1st. Brent's responce was cool see you next year and was told no I can't let you do that

We just looked at eacother in total amused confusion

[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Was it me? Because I had that conversation back in '10 or '11. I ended up taking most of it off then took off the rest after the project "off the books" (but with an email paper trail because I've been burned before).

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[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago

I'll never understand this. I regularly encourage my staff to use their PTO and only deny requests if multiple people want overlapping days. Even then, if we can rearrange the schedule to make it work, we will.

[-] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 months ago

See, you have morals and empathy.

Most managers and owners don't.

[-] lauha@lemmy.one 8 points 2 months ago

Most managers and owners in US don't.

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[-] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 2 months ago

IT manager of more than a decade here. Vacation days are earned. They're part of your pay. If you're not taking vacation days, you may as well be not cashing a paycheck. That's unacceptable.

If several folks request off the same day I'll gently ask if anyone is willing to swap. If they're not willing or able, it's OK. I'm paid more and I will work the overtime needed to cover them, because they earned it and it's their time. Period. The company will survive a few days of less stellar work so that my guys and gals can live their life and work a job where they feel confident that they're taken care of.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 10 points 2 months ago

So glad my work has sick days too. Mental health is a good enough reason to use one and you don’t even need to use a reason. I do my best to show up for important things but I am so thankful I can call in sick or use a vacation day any time I want for the most part….

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

your boss does not give them to you, it is your right (possibly only at a minimal level too)

[-] lengau@midwest.social 21 points 2 months ago

In civilised countries yes. In the US that minimum (federally at least) is 0.

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[-] then_three_more@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

At my work if I don't book at least 75% of my holiday days by like a month after renewal my boss starts to really moan at me.

The meme must be an American thing.

[-] menemen@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You in Germany? There is some kind of tax thing, so it costs money if people don't take there holidays in the year itself, so companies are mostly quite keen with you raking all holidays.

[-] then_three_more@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

UK. But it's actually a German company. Everywhere I've worked has been pushy about you using your holiday though (managers obviously don't want it to hit the end of the year and suddenly everyone wants to use it instead of loosing it) but the 75% almost as soon as it renews is the most extreme example I've come across.

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[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 23 points 2 months ago

Interesting. At my place HR explicitly encourages using up all of our paid vacation days every year

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

HR wants the liability gone, your boss wants your ass in the seat 24/7. Neither are looking out for you.

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[-] Pickle_Jr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Are you allowed to carry over PTO hours? I might just be a pessimist, but my immediate thought is if they ever have to let anybody go, they don't want to pay-out accrued PTO hours.

At my previous place, there was one employee that NEVER took PTO for some insane reason. Had saved up like 2 months of PTO.

He was told by HR he had too many hours and needed to use some PTO time. This specific scenario is not unheard of.

However, a month or so after he came back from a month and a half of PTO, he got laid off for reasons unknown to me.

Rumors are they didn't want to pay-out the PTO.

Honestly it doesn't make sense, they had to pay him for the PTO anyways, but when has HR made sense?

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago

Oh that's definitely because they don't want to pay it out at the end of the financial year. But at least it kind of sometimes ends up working in the employee's favor

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[-] Lighttrails@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 months ago

I get 5 sick days a year. I can roll over sick days, allowing up to 13 sick days a year. If I use more that 2 in a row, I need a doctors note. If I use 5 sick days in a row I forfeit my bonus pay for that month. Fuck me right?

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago

You should know better than to get sick!

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[-] tfw_no_toiletpaper@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

I have some weird memories being 12 and wanting to be American haha.

I would never

[-] Vilian@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago

Let be honest, Hollywood is a hell of a good propaganda, I mean, it's where the shit happens

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[-] stoly@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

I pretty much order my staff to take time off.

[-] m3t00@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Government job I had gave 10 sick days a year. Use or lose. I'd do extended weekends. Boss said he'd noticed a pattern of me calling in sick on Fridays. Well duh. Started alternating Mondays. He gave up.

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Had one that let you accumulate one sick day per month, but if you didn't use them they rolled over. First few years I didn't use all of them, and then one year I used thirteen sick days in one year (most of them for kids home sick from school) and got lightly scolded for it in a performance review.

I wanted to say "Bitch why do you allow rollover at all if you don't want us using more than we can possibly accumulate in one year?!" Looked it up in the contract and it said nothing at all about maximum sick days usable in a year. Of course if you have sick days left when you leave, they pay out at one third, but FUCK that, I earned that time, I'm not taking a one third payout. And they didn't EVER give merit raises for those years I barely called out sick.

So the next year I took even MORE sick days, and afterwards made sure not to leave any unused, even if I wasn't sick, because fuck them.

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[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 8 points 2 months ago

Oh geez this thread is full of cynical amuricans

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