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Florida is disappearing from the national political map (www.nbcnews.com)

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 67 points 2 months ago

We need to treat every state as a battleground state

Presidential campaigns cost over a billion dollars these days, if that's not enough to campaign in 50 states, where the fuck is all that money even going.

A billion dollars is an insane amount, I legitimately don't understand how either party can claim with a straight face they need or even use close to that much

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago

The main reason Texas is not "in play" it's because everyone assumes it can't be "in play". Over 5 million registered Texans did not vote in 2020! Among them there is definitely 700k Democratic votes and that would be a landslide win for Harris.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Indiana is never "in play"...

Except when Obama carried the state ~~to the point they even got a Dem governor...~~

Then we started running moderates again for president, they got Pence who caused an HIV epidemic and then the whole country had to deal with him as VP.

The problem is what "red states" need to turn blue isn't what the DNC is willing to give.

[-] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

Eh, Mitch Daniels wasn't a Democrat.

[-] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 1 points 2 months ago

Was just about to come on here to say this. Joe Kernan was actually the last in a line of Dem govs of Indiana (following Evan Bayh and Frank O'Bannon)

I'm a bit surprised here that the OC (givesomef... ) admitted to his mistake, considering that in the past he's ignored similar requests for clarifications. E.g https://lemmy.world/comment/12300100 , https://lemmy.world/comment/12283806 , and especially https://lemmy.world/comment/12087110 (where giving a positive answer would have really helped me out).

(That said, I suppose I can understand ignoring something like "Citation needed" as not everyone wants to spend the time stay informed by looking things up and following up).

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

There's a lot of learned helplessness in Texas.

[-] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Part of it is because our congressional districts are drawn like a bowl of spaghetti. In statewide elections it matters less but congressional districs were specifically drawn to pack and crack votes here.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Absolutely, plus all the effort by the entrenched Republicans to keep putting more and more hurdles between voters and the ballot box. And all the effort to drive vulnerable minorities out of the state with bigoted laws.

[-] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Hell, I'm a cishetwhite guy and I feel like they are trying to drive me out too.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 14 points 2 months ago

Absurdly wealthy media controlling billionaires donate to pacs who then spend the money on... media

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

Imagine how many children could be fed with that money. Absolutely immoral.

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[-] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 2 points 2 months ago

Campaigning in all 50 states and treating all of them as battleground states are not the same thing. The latter is harder and more expensive.

As to why a billion is not enough, blame the SC for allowing Citizens United in 2010. After that the amount of money just got higher without end in this crazy arms race.

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 2 months ago

Glad to hear. Next up, the geographical map if we're lucky.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 months ago

Truly a rabbit ahead of his time.

[-] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 22 points 2 months ago

With rising sea levels, all in due time. My uni did a map of FL at different sea levels. None of that state is very far up out of the ocean.

[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

I looked at peak elevation on the keys one time because a buddy of mine was posting pretty crazy splits on some runs. Gtfo with your shit Doug.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago

Not too much though. Florida makes a great breaker for those hurricanes. Get rid of most of it or make it all swamp, you'll have more storms into the core areas.

We may get that anyway with stronger storms, Florida or no Florida...

[-] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Georgians living above the Fall Line:

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago

Nice wiki link. The Talk section is also interesting, mainly concerned with the list of cities that are called Fall Line cities in the two Fall Line entries. I noted it because my location is on one list but two other places more eastern are on the other list, so it seems to be a very ambiguous definition, as geology tends to be.

But Florida isn't, so suck it! :p

(Although Florida isn't all low, there will be Floridian islands still, for a while)

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[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

I wish Florida would just break off and sink into the ocean. And I live here.

[-] kittehx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 months ago

climate change will do that soon enough

[-] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

That's not soon enough!

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[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 1 points 2 months ago

In the ocean?

[-] brlemworld@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

The poor Ocean!

[-] aramis87@fedia.io 15 points 2 months ago

Florida has historically been held up as a massively important state for any White House aspirant, and as a result has been on the receiving end of large candidate rallies, surrogate events and huge sums of national money fueling wall-to-wall campaign ads across the state’s 10 expensive media markets. But for the first time in recent political memory, the 2024 presidential race has left Florida as a comparative afterthought.

If you ever wondered why Florida and Texas have been turned into such conservative hellholes, this is exactly why. Both were starting to turn bluer, and the Republicans didn't want to lose those precious electoral college votes.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 2 months ago

Aww, poor Ronnie looks so sad. He was gonna be president. It was gonna be so great. He’d eat pudding with his fingers at every press conference. At the state of the union, he’d add a banana. And now that’s all been lost. No charisma. No personality. No hope for becoming president. Poor little guy in his ridiculous lifts is so dejected.

Good. Fuck him. Asshole.

[+] nobleshift@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

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[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago

What bothers me is Texas isn't exactly far ahead of Florida in what they teach kids and they also have massive influence on what books schools across the nation end up using.

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 6 points 2 months ago

Floridians are just as intelligent and prone to moments of stupidity as the rest of the country. They just seem like exceptional idiots because of Florida’s Sunshine Laws, which publicize ridiculous, headline-grabbing incidents. Now, reporters actively search for funny/outrageous Florida stories, and the process feeds itself. The Sunshine Laws are responsible for most of the Florida Man jokes you’ve seen.

No, I’m not a publicly agent for the state of Florida. Actually, I think it would be a terrible place to live. They’re not idiots, though.

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[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

30 electoral votes don't simply disappear

[-] Hugin@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

No but the chance that you change the vote to your side does go away. Florida isn't competitive anymore so not much point in either side spending here.

A lot of republicans have moved here and a lot of democrats have left. Add the fact that the Florida democratic party is a mess even compared to other state parties and I don't see things changing.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4871851-florida-democrats-optimistic-presidential-senate/

[-] Hugin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

One poll that shows them losing by 1-2% instead of 4-5%. I'll still vote and I hope I'm wrong but I'm Expecting a all the state wide races to go R.

I think the abortion rights amendment has a good chance of hitting the 60% required.

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[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Florida isn't worth the time to be a swing state. They don't listen to facts and get more conservative every chance they can. Spending time campaigning in FL for democrats is simply a waste. May as well campaign at a graveyard.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Except if you're Obama and won Florida twice

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[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

May as well campaign at a graveyard.

I mean, that has been part of Trump's strategy.

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

May as well campaign at a graveyard.

Given the number of boomers who live there, you might be more right than you know.

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

Florida's status changes depending on how many retirees move to the state in any given year. When many move, it usually goes more conservative.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

At least they are gerrymandering themselves like that, concentrating their votes in Florida.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

We were just talking about that. It was glamorized in media for years and many of the television addled moved there. Thus Florida Man was formed.

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