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Element X, Call and Server Suite are production ready (element.io)

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Element is launching the world’s first communications platform based on the upcoming Matrix 2.0 release. The result is blazing performance which outperforms the mainstream alternatives - across a decentralised system that enables self-hosting and end-to-end encryption - as well as open standard interoperability to revolutionise real time communication between large organisations.

Built on Matrix 2.0, Element X now rivals the performance of centralised consumer messaging apps, empowering organisations to address the shadow IT issues caused by consumer-grade messaging apps in the workplace.

The new Element communications solution consists:

Element X, our next-gen app with an array of new features

Element Call fully integrated into Element X, for native Matrix-encrypted voice and video

Element Server Suite, our backend hosting solution for powerful admin control and Matrix 2.0 performance

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[-] azron@lemmy.ml 61 points 2 months ago

"invisible cryptography" I sure hope this isn't an empty promise. The number one gripe I have with matrix/element is the absolutely horrendous crypto dance they make you do.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 29 points 2 months ago

It's probably the number one reason I can't convince friends to move over, I know they would bawk at how it makes them do that on every device

[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 11 points 2 months ago

while I agree that there are too many problems right now, 2 things really can't be avoided:

setting up key backup after registration asap
verifying your new logged in devices, possibly with the key backup password

well, unless they are fine with using it like signal, which is basically one device only

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[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 5 points 2 months ago

I studied cryptography and I can't figure out how to do the dance right. I thought I did, but one of my contacts says they can't read any message I send them. And I can't message them to figure out why.

We haven't spoken since. Thanks Matrix.

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[-] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml 41 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I had just uninstalled Element X like two weeks ago because I found it to under perform compared to the normal Element client on Android, in addition to lacking some features. I guess I'll give it another shot.

Update: WOW this thing feels lightning fast compared to just a few weeks ago. This is great. Not sure about feature completeness, but based on speed I think I'll migrate Element > Element X again. Great job to the team!

[-] GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It hans't changed speedwise for me. It has been lightning fast since it's first release

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[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 months ago

The last time I used element x was probably a couple months ago and I wouldn't really call it 'production ready'. But I guess I'll have to try it again.

[-] tmpod@lemmy.pt 9 points 2 months ago

I still don't think it's there, but development hss been fast, so a lot has changed and improved in the last couple of months.

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[-] Scio@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Still no Spaces support. Even the short list of rooms I've joined are unmanageable when listed flat with no way to identify which Space a #general belongs to

[-] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is dependent on matrix-rust-sdk, when (if) it ends up supporting it, all apps using the SDK will be able to add support for spaces

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[-] anarchist@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago

Not available on f droid yet it seems

[-] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

~~https://f-droid.org/packages/io.element.android.x/~~

f-droid seems a few versions behind.

https://apkpure.com/element-x-secure-messenger/io.element.android.x/download

[-] neurospice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago

That release is quite out of date. See this issue

[-] doomsdayrs@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

Schildi chat has SchildiNext on f-droid

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[-] DiabolicalBird@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

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[-] brrt@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago

I don’t like what I see in the iOS app stores privacy section for the app.

[-] deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de 35 points 2 months ago

Element is able to use features called "Integration Manager" and "Identity Server". When using an Identity Server, you can choose to link name, email, and phone number to your Matrix account. When using an Integration Manager, there's a feature to share your location with others in chat.

As such, Vector discloses that they "collect this information", although (except some diagnostics), this is completely optional.

(I am not associated with Vector, just interested in Matrix)

[-] grimer@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Ah interesting ok. So basically even though it CAN link all of that info to you and such doesn't mean that it WILL if you opt out of things. Is that correct?

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Even better.

It's opt-in instead of opt -out

[-] deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de 8 points 2 months ago

Correct, Vector does not receive this information unless you willingly share it with them.

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[-] D_Air1@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

The way permissions are listed on mobile operating these days is honestly pretty misleading.

For example, I know some apps that need to request network permission even though they don't need to connect to the internet. Not because they want to do anything shady, but because they legitably have to in order to get certain info.

Not to mention the problem of listing everything an app can do as if it is doing all of those things.

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[-] xnx@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 months ago

Screensharing would let so many people move from discord

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[-] Preflight_Tomato@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago

I’m still sad they stopped work on dendrite. P2P level decentralization, with E2EE, would be amazing.

These are still great improvements though. I'm hyped that loading seems to be so much faster.

[-] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 7 points 2 months ago

They didn't though? Source?

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[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 months ago

What's matrix 2.0? Are they finally gonna use the go backend as opposed to the python one?

[-] tmpod@lemmy.pt 5 points 2 months ago

Not exactly. Matrix 2.0 relates to the protocol (Matrix) version, which has its major number incremented due to a bunch of, well, major changes/updates to make it much better. OIDC, sliding sync and native calls are some of the new things that comprise the 2.0 update.

The server implementations are somewhat orthogonal to this. Synapse (the original Python server) is still the main implementation, and is Matrix 2.0 ready.

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[-] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 months ago

Space support and multi account support and I'll install it. Fluffychat has many features but still laggy.

[-] irotsoma@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Native OIDC support...something I wish more self hosted apps would prioritize. I shouldn't need to maintain a bunch of user account systems on my own servers.

[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 months ago

Has anyone tried the new app?

[-] vikingtons@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

I've been using the nightly releases for element X android for some time.

Sliding sync means messages are fetched quite a bit quicker, though it's not yet feature complete relative to regular element android.

I've not yet tested element call on EXA, however, but it's worked very nicely for me via web.

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 months ago

I'm trying it now, seems okay so far. I tried it a few months ago and it was unusable, so it's improved.

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[-] qaz@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What's the difference between the normal app and element X? Why create a new app?

EDIT: I installed it, but can't verify for some reason.

EDIT: It works now, and it's very fast compared to the other client. It's a shame spaces aren't supported.

[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 months ago

Good ol' Rust Rewrite fixing everything.

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[-] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 6 points 2 months ago

The result is blazing performance which outperforms the mainstream alternatives

I highly doubt that. At last the last version of it (released earlier this year) that supported my previous phone I'm pretty sure was more sluggish than telegram.
And even though it's not really a visible problem on my new one, and even though that I can't check it's resource usage anymore (thanks again google for fucking uo /proc! it was a huge idea!), it still means that it uses more battery power

[-] Untold1707@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

Native Sliding Sync (AKA Simplified Sliding Sync) was just released to Synapse and Element X over the past couple of weeks. It’s not an exaggeration to say that it is FAST now. My fairly large account usually syncs instantly now. If not instant, the longest I’ve seen was 1 second. Give Element X a try again (assuming your home server supports SSS).

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[-] GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

Bombastic

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