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The reason we don’t see exploding battery attacks more often is not because it’s technically hard, it’s because the erosion of public trust in everyday things isn’t worth it. (www.bunniestudios.com)

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edit: after 20 comments, i'm adding a post description here, since most of the commenters so far appear not to be reading the article:

This is about how surprisingly cheap it is (eg $15,000) to buy a complete production line to be able to manufacture batteries with a layer of nearly-undetectable explosives inside of them, which can be triggered by off-the-shelf devices with only their firmware modified.

screenshot of paragraph from the article saying "The process to build such batteries is well understood and documented. Here is an excerpt from one vendor’s site promising to sell the equipment to build batteries in limited quantities (tens-to-hundreds per batch) for as little as $15,000:" followed by a screenshot of "Flow-chart of Pouch Cell Lab-scale Fabrication" showing a 20 step process

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[-] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

I'll never look at my phone the same way again

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 36 points 14 hours ago

It's also a big ass war crime. And if you did it habitually as anyone other than the West you could expect a visit from the US military. Inside the West you'd likely end up in prison. Except Israel. Israel is just immune to everything because uhhh... Because... Well nobody actually has a good reason.

[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 hours ago

Because people are scared to be seen as an anti-Semite if you are critical of a Jewish state and their wrongdoings.

This is how Jeremy Corbyn got slammed as being an anti-Semite across the media and eventually kicked out of the labour party.

[-] ashar@infosec.pub 38 points 18 hours ago

Sending out IEDs that will probably explode in a supermarket and kill civilians is generally considered a war crime. So far 2 kids killed in Beirut by the Israeli bombs in devices.

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 16 points 15 hours ago

Exterminating the next generation of people who would live on the land they want to steal is the goal.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 46 points 21 hours ago

Even though your edit clarified it, I wish we’d stop calling them “exploding batteries”. The battery isn’t the explosive, it’s the explosives that were hidden in the device. I’ve already encountered far too many morons describing conspiracies where the big bad government could make your iPhone explode.

[-] jdeath@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago

but the article is about exploding batteries, no?

[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 hours ago

I wish we’d stop calling them “exploding batteries”. The battery isn’t the explosive, it’s the explosives that were hidden in the device.

Do you want to stop calling them exploding pagers too? How about other exploding things? And what should https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Lebanon_pager_explosions be renamed to? Maybe 2024 Lebanon explosions of explosives inside of pagers? 🙄

[-] grudan@programming.dev 5 points 20 hours ago

Title felt misleading.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 17 points 18 hours ago

We don't see exploding batteries more because most militaries are better about securing their supply chain.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 8 points 17 hours ago

The attack hit many civilians. For militaires it might be feasible to secure their chain. For terror attacks, which this was, it would be far more difficult.

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[-] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 69 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Jfc Christ Lemmy.

Every single comment misunderstanding the point. The batteries are exploding because there's explosives in them. This does make them exploding batteries. They explode because they are partially made with explosives. Please don't well actually this.

No this is not a description of something Israel did, it's a hypothetical way to do a similar attack to show how within reach of idiot terrorists it is.

Raising the idea of doing this so everyone is thinking about it is extremely bad for us all. Thanks Israel.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 30 points 22 hours ago

Please don't well actually this.

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

[-] 8000gnat@reddthat.com 1 points 1 hour ago

even electronic brain pancake crystal elderly

[-] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 1 points 1 hour ago

Did it really need quotes?
Please don't "well actually" this

[-] randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 points 30 minutes ago

Yes, yes it did. I didn't understand that sentence until I saw this version with quotes.

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[-] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 16 points 23 hours ago

I think there may be a couple edits needed in your comment. Reread slowly and get back to us.

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 12 points 23 hours ago

No, it doesn't. The battery itself is not the source of the explosion, it's the explosive hidden inside it.

A regular battery cannot be made to explode in this way.

[-] femtech@midwest.social 7 points 22 hours ago

That does not make them exploding batteries, it had explosives in them. A suicide bomber is not an explosive human.

[-] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 0 points 1 hour ago

Do bombs explode? Or is it the explosives inside of them that are exploding?

[-] eatthecake@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago

A suicide bomber is not an explosive human but they are an exploding human.

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[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 22 hours ago

JFC Christ, does anyone know where the nearest ATM Machine is?

[-] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 1 points 1 hour ago

Jesus Fried Chicken Christ

[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Jfc Christ Lemmy.Every single comment misunderstanding the point.

Pedantics fighting pedantics LOL

The batteries are exploding because there's explosives in them. This does make them exploding batteries.

And when you put the same explosives inside a barbie doll and make it go off, then it wasn't an exploding barbie doll. Or was it? ;-)

[-] boatswain@infosec.pub 4 points 20 hours ago

Pedantics fighting pedantics LOL

I think you mean "pedants fighting pedants" :p

[-] ilega_dh@feddit.nl 1 points 5 hours ago

This really should be the unofficial name of places like lemmy and reddit

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[-] tal@lemmy.today 9 points 18 hours ago

Context: bunniestudios.com is run by bunnie, the guy who was involved with the hardware side of breaking DRM on the original XBox; he later went into consumer electronics manufacturing.

[-] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 43 points 1 day ago

I don't think terrorists care about the people's trust in everyday things

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 51 points 1 day ago

Just to be clear, the pager thing wasn't exploding batteries, they had apparently been modified at the production level to have explosives in them, which could be triggered by the pager system itself.

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[-] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

But I don't want my devices to be bombs

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 9 points 1 day ago

And also because it's impossible.

So it is actually in fact very hard. What they had was exploding explosives which are not hard.

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