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submitted 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) by fididosooe@lemmy.ca to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

I had two Samsung flagship phones, one (S20FE) had an optical fingerprint reader and the other (S22) had an ultrasonic one. Both of them somewhat regularly failed to read my finger, were slower than a fingerprint reader on the power button and are more expensive/complex to build. They won't work with cheap 3rd party screen replacements and some screen protectors as well.

Meanwhile my $90 Android phone has a fingerprint reader on the power button. It never fails and I never have to perfectly place my finger on the sensor area to get it to work. It just seems like the perfect place to put a fingerprint sensor, so why do phone manufacturers keep using in-display fingerprint readers over the cheaper alternative?

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[-] Voltage@sh.itjust.works 5 points 46 minutes ago

Optimal fingerprint reader placement is on the back of the phone. You can just pick it up slide your finger on it and boom on to the home screen. Just want to see the time? Just press the power button and see the lockscreen.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 46 minutes ago

My Pixel 7 has the fingerprint reader behind the screen and it's awful. Unless you've got the greasiest fingers of anyone who ever lived, it fails to log you in.

Instead the face recognition kicks in, and then fails when you try to make a payment, asking for your fingerprint again.

It's fucking aggravating.

My crappy old Huawei thing has a separate panel for fingerprints and it never failed to work.

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 13 minutes ago

They said the same about the 6 but honestly it works pretty well for me most of the time.

Sorry, I have God fingers I guess. blessed by the finger maiden.

[-] FleetingTit@feddit.org 4 points 1 hour ago

I would hate that so much. The power button is for turning the screen off!

[-] Stoposto@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

I don't understand why "FaceID" isn't more of a stardard on Android. I remember people online complaining when Apple got rid of TouchID on their phones, yet anyone who use FaceID quickly forget that fingerprint skanners are a thing. It works so fast and you don't have to complain about where a sensor might be on a device, if you can see the screen the screen the device is unlocked.

[-] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 23 minutes ago

The unlocking flow is slower. With the fingerprnt scannerb I just put my finger on the screen and go. With face recognition, I have to turn on the screen, wait for it to pick me up, then swipe to unlock.

[-] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 minutes ago

Large iPhone notches are kinda ugly compared to the simpler notches in most other Android phones. Also, maybe there's tons of patents by Apple. Could be why I don't think I've ever heard of an Android phone that does more than a simple 2D facial scan with the normal camera

[-] cynar@lemmy.world 2 points 36 minutes ago

It became a big thing on android just before covid happened. Unfortunately, masks completely confused it.

I currently have both active on my phone, it's about 50/50 which unlocks it first. I tend to unlock my phone as I bring it out of my pocket via fingerprint. If that fails, then face ID kicks in.

[-] billybong@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 hour ago

Not quite, you have to have the camera angled at your face. If the phone is flat on your desk it won't unlock unless you lean right over it.

[-] potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish 16 points 4 hours ago

I don't know but I prefer fp sensors on the back of the phone because my fingerprint is also up there naturally.

[-] eronth@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

Yes! I'm so sad they've moved away from this. I could pull out my phone AND unlock it in the same grab.

[-] corroded@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

I can't find a decent screen protector for my Galaxy S23, no matter how I try, and it's all due to the damned in-display fingerprint reader. Any adhesive-style screen protector has an open area for the fingerprint reader, and it's either a different material or a different thickness; they all look like shit. I've tried the screen protectors that use a UV-cured adhesive, and they're messy, difficult to apply properly, and generally a pain in the ass.

I've relegated myself to not using a screen protector at all, but considering my pocket lint scratches my screen, it sucks.

[-] pycorax@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago

The fingerprint sensor on the power button isn't the main reason why I got my Fold 6 but it's such a small thing that sweetens the deal a lot. I absolutely detest screen based fingerprint readers.

[-] Ashiette@lemmy.world 33 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I think the answer might be 'because of marketing'.

For me, I dislike both the power button AND the screen fingerprint reader. The power button because I like to access my lockscreen and not to be catapulted in the last app I was using ; the screen reader because it's messy and oftentimes doesn't work correctly. My newborn has been able to unlock my phone, multiple times...

What I really miss was the fingerprint reader on the back of the device. It was convenient, fast, precise and let me access the lock screen.

[-] Nightsoul@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Why not just tap the screen of your phone to see just the lock screen? It's especially convenient my phone is sitting on my desk, just double tap

[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

For my part, I don't have all of my fingers scanned into the reader (Which is on the power button), so it's easy to just use a different finger in the event that I want to access my lock screen specifically.

[-] DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Yep, the pixel 4a was my favorite phone in recent history, largely because of the rear mounted fingerprint sensor.

[-] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

I had a 3a and thought I loved the rear reader, but apparently I have my phone flat on a desk or in a stand often enough that I really do prefer the front reader

[-] DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

I can never get my 6 to read my print unless I hold it in my hand exactly right (and even then it's hit or miss), so the stand or desk thing is irrelevant in my case.

[-] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago

Although the pixels specifically seems to be exceptionally bad compared to others. I absolutely hate it on my pixel 7 but my mom's nothing phone seems to be much better but still not as fast/reliable as the dedicated sensor on the back or side.

[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 14 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I had a power button fingerprint reader in the past (Moto G7 Plus) and it wasn't great as I'm left-handed. My thumb ends up on the opposite side of the screen, so I had to use my index which isn't ideal.

[-] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 63 points 13 hours ago

I miss when it was on the back, right around where you put your finger when you pick up the phone.

The underscreen one is a major downgrade and I gotta fumble with it a few times to get it to work, usually.

[-] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 hours ago

My underscreen one is excellent and works 99% of the time. That still leaves it significantly worse than rear fingerprint sensor. RIP the best unlock method.

[-] MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Biggest thing I miss about the old Pixels was this because you could swipe it to pull the notifications bar down. It worked system wide so you could during a game or video just pop it down to check time or settings and just flick it away without moving your hand to the top of the phone.

[-] Klaymore@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

It's great. I also downloaded DigiLux so I can swipe left and right to change brightness as well.

[-] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 hours ago

Yo whaaat? I can still do that on my Note 20 ultra. That's part of my workflow

[-] WR5@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago

I have a Google Pixel 5 and it's in a great location for me. It's right where my thumb generally rests.

[-] Thavron@lemmy.ca 9 points 12 hours ago

Yessss. I had a Nexus 6P and the back fingerprint reader was amazing. Still probably the best phone I've had.

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 12 hours ago

This so much! And it's eragonomic no matter which hand you use. My new phone has it on the power button and it's just ok. I miss having a rear touch sensor.

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 44 points 14 hours ago

The S9 had the fingerprint reader centered on the back. It was awesome.

[-] Canadian_Cabinet@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 hours ago

As did the Pixel 2. Still miss the back scanner

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 2 points 57 minutes ago

Nexus 6P / 5X all the way to Pixel 5 had it.

While I miss the rear scanner, I have had no issues with the under-display type in the 6/7/8. I see people online every time this topic comes up, screaming that it's awful, but... cannot reproduce, ticket closed.

[-] Imprudent3449@lemm.ee 15 points 13 hours ago

Plus you could use it to drop down the notification window with a gesture. It was handy.

[-] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 9 points 11 hours ago

Wow, that is the opposite of my experience. I have only had problems with the power button fingerprint readers. My last three phones have used in-display readers, and that has been so much more reliable for me.

I do still use my Pixel Tablet, which uses a power button fingerprint reader for some reason, and I am constantly fighting with it.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 24 points 14 hours ago

Power buttons are often covered by cases and, since they're usually a weak spot for water proofing, it's more effective to have a case that fully covers the button. In-screen readers (like what I have on my Samsung A71) tend to be good enough most of the time.

[-] sushibowl@feddit.nl 7 points 13 hours ago

It really depends on the sensor tech. The fingerprint reader in my pixel 7 pro is absolute dogshit. I've heard the pixel 9 line improves things though.

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago

My Pixel 6 never could read my right thumb, maybe 2% of the time. You know, the one used 99% of the time by a right handed person.

My Pixel 9 Pro Fold with the sensor in the power button has worked 99% of the time so far with all registered fingers in all manner of grips. Almost too good honestly, since it unlocks sometimes accidentally when picking it up.

That said, the rear sensor was still the best placement.

[-] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 9 points 13 hours ago

Pixel 8 user here - the in-display fingerprint reader is fine, as long as my finger isn't super dry (which happens regularly). So I'm regularly licking my finger to unlock the device like some boomer that's used to doing it from turning pages in a book.

[-] airman@infosec.pub 3 points 12 hours ago

My dude, rub the side of your nose. Works great, no extra moisture.

Never fails on a 7 Pro

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 hours ago
[-] kambusha@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 hours ago

I was itching!

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 2 points 11 hours ago

I have a Pixel 7 Pro and have never had an issue. I don't have a screen protector on, if that makes a difference.

[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I have a soft-protector, the one you need to apply with a small spray of alcohol, and the fingerprint reader works just fine for me.

Specifically, this one

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0B3CJHNZ5

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 3 points 9 hours ago

When I got the phone I also got one of the glass screen protectors, which was advertised as being extra thin for good touch sensitivity.

I shattered it trying to peel the plastic backing off, and never got around to getting a new one.

That one you linked looks like it would suit someone like me a bit better.

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 17 points 14 hours ago

Not an expert but I’d suppose it’s nothing more than marketing getting in the way and insisting on an over engineered solution because it’s flashy

[-] FurtiveFugitive@lemm.ee 5 points 14 hours ago

For a while, there was a patent on it, at least in he US. I remember having to root a Sony phone to enable the fingerprint reader on the power button about 10 years ago.

[-] Letme@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago
[-] yaMatt@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I want to up vote this more

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[-] Banichan@dormi.zone 5 points 14 hours ago

Motorola does it on the power button

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[-] burgersc12@mander.xyz 3 points 13 hours ago

Cause its cooler to not need to have a button uncovered.

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