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I wanted to get printer photo paper for my printer, a Canon. I went to Walmart, They had nothing. Went to Target, they had one pack of photo paper and it was crazy expensive, so I went to micro center. That one was just as expensive. So finally I went back to Amazon, which I was trying to avoid, and saw the price 25 to 40% lower than anywhere I had been. Literally everything that I was looking for, I could find within seconds. Not even Best buy has even close to the amount of inventory or variety, even when you're shopping online....

Therefore, I think Amazon has a literal monopoly in the tech industry right now, you're literally forced to buy from them, because unless you have the money and financial fortitude to protest with your wallet, you're going to be buying from them. There's no other choice. They have so aggressively and dominantly taken over the supply chain market that no other tech company can currently compete with them in any aspect at all. You will be paying 40 to 50% more on everything by cutting out Amazon, and no one has the money for that anymore unless you're upper middle class or above

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[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 13 points 2 hours ago

Remember that time like 10 years ago, when some local news station was doing a story about Amazon having all the best tech deals, and then the one co-host butts in and says "You know why they have a monopoly, right? RIGHT??? SHE KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKIN ABOUT!!!"

And everybody was giving blank looks, like "Uh....no? What ARE you talking about?"

And he's like "Because they sell all the sex toys, and deliver it right to your house! Ladies? Right???? IT'S CONVIENENT!!!"

And everybody just had their mouth open in shock like "WTF ARE YOU DOING???"

and then he goes on and on about dildos, as his cohost continually tries to move on, but he keeps talking about dildos. And she's looking like she wants to strangle him.

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 13 points 1 hour ago

No, but I enjoyed your retelling.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

You should watch news bloopers on youtube. There's so many classics.

"........I so pale......." *You're on!" Immediately goes into news reporter mode as her cohost giggles

Also, a woman talking to the weatherman: "How bout that 69, huh? I know you're excited about the no rain, but how bout that 69???" Rest of the news crew stonewalls.

Or the woman doing an on-location report about a guy who grills hamburgers for his resteraunt.

"Now, can I try one of these?"

"Absolutely. I would LOVE to see my meat in your mouth!

"NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD THAT!!!"

There was the cohost who was in a grape smashing competition to make wine, and she yelled "WAIT!!!" and then started stomping extra fast herself. Basically cheating. And then she slipped and fell face first off an 8 foot drop right onto her face. And she starts groaning in pain.

[-] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Never saw that but that is hilarious.

[-] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

And he was right!

[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 hours ago

Here in Canada, I find the prices pretty neck and neck. Small items tend to be a bit cheaper at the stores, since there is very little overhead for them to carry small items compared to Amazon's picking and delivery logistics. Big items tend to be a bit cheaper on Amazon. For tech specifically, Best Buy price matches items, so it's not that bad... Memory express and CC sometimes have lower prices than Amazon too (see PCPartPicker).

The main reason to use Amazon is you can easily find some really obscure stuff. Then again, you can buy direct from manufacturer, like Vevor, for often cheaper.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 33 points 4 hours ago

Amazon's pricing I not deterministic. You were likely tracked and information collected to know this was a key item for you. Amazon will market loss leaders to you in an attempt to get you to default to buying on Amazon.

As a former Buyer for a chain of retail stores, the loss leader is effective marketing. I sell you a popular item at or below my typical cost because statistically, a large percentage of customers are making a special trip to my store to buy that product and will make additional purchases at margin. On the wholesale Buying side, these are tools to get past bulk buying tier discounts for seasonal ordering with smaller scale retail.

Amazon is using a convoluted front end system of overlapping product categories and a supposed multi seller listings (despite collectivized logistics and warehousing) on the website you see. This is how they perform price fixing where you do not see honest or straight forward determinism. When you repurchase that same item later without making comparisons, the seller will shuffle so that a higher price is presented.

If you have a well isolated network where device history for social media and internet browsing is totally partitioned from e-commerce you'll likely see even more of the scam. If you see anyone online show the search results and pricing on Amazon, then try to replicate those search results and product price on a device that is totally partitioned from your viewing of the item/price elsewhere, you're likely to find it is not possible. If you then go back to the original device and do the same, you'll magically find the same product and lower price. It is a scam market. This is why they are collecting and paying for all that data about you. We are in an age when automated individual targeting and manipulation is possible and happening. This is why data mining stalkerware is insidious. Scam markets are only the tip of the iceberg and what can be uncovered if you go looking for it. Anyone that has done database or logistics management should have major red flags flying when looking at how Amazon's website is setup. The front end is absolutely untenable garbage for effective logistics. The only reason it is convoluted and search results are terrible is because it is a price fixing scam. The logistical efficiency proves that there is no connection between the front and back end of the site.

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 50 minutes ago

oh so basically the entire shitpost about walmart or whatever it was having "dynamic pricing" is literally already real...

ok.

[-] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

Great post. Thank you for this insight!

[-] stellargmite@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago

Thanks for this. I’ve only used Amazon a few times and was always baffled at the train wreck of its chaotic layout / ux. I had to buy something there once and it was such a process it was like being asked to leave the store before paying. Thought at the time it must be down to legacy and new features being showhorned around ancient web1.0 history, its success being its burden with customers having to learn how to use the thing. Price fixing scam is what I will think of it now, while continuing to avoid it.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

chaotic layout / ux

Maybe it's stockholm syndrome or something, but I find it absolutely fine. My general rule of thumb is to look past the first page of results, since that's where a lot of the sponsored listings are, and then look at several listings before deciding. As long as you're aware that the first page or so of results are generally sponsored (i.e. ads), it's not too hard to find a decent product. And since it's online, it's pretty easy to compare w/ other retailers (I'll often look at eBay, Newegg, and a couple others depending on the type of product before pulling the trigger).

That said, I'm definitely not your typical consumer (I rarely buy things on impulse), so it's hard for me to understand the impact of their "price fixing" nonsense.

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 50 minutes ago

Maybe it’s stockholm syndrome or something, but I find it absolutely fine.

no it's absolutely horrid. HOWEVER in your defense, so are like 95% of all websites, ever made, it's not a unique problem.

[-] stellargmite@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Yeh people learn and it becomes normal which is fine. Ebay is as bizarre to me. Not hate, more a morbid fascination that things so maze-like to navigate can also be successful. Could be semi cultural as well. I’ve noticed this being the way in other US platforms with a similar legacy. I’ve also being (attempting to) subvert tracking for quite a while so maybe that's working and its less useful as a result lol. I’m lucky in a sense that their corporation isn't so strong where I live so theres more choice (ironically I may actually have less choice). Its annoying when they have the monopoly on a given product, but it’s also possible just to go without the shiny thing.

Ebay

Yeah, it's a bit odd, but again, once you get used to it, it's fine. My general rules of thumb:

  1. narrow by category - avoids the worst of the spam
  2. only include "buy it now" listings (unless you really want auctions)
  3. sort by price (including shipping)
  4. skip the cheapest listing and look for the first "cluster" of listings
  5. be careful with sellers with a small number of reviews; low reviews aren't a deal-breaker, they just have a higher chance of BS

I do that each time, and I haven't had any problems so far.

[-] blazera@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago

Do you mean you went to walmart and target physically, and then directly to amazons website, and no other online shop? There are a ton of competing online stores with similar or better prices than Amazon, often stores specializing in the product you're buying. Instead of looking up amazon specifically, look up the item youre looking for

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

Exactly. For tech stuff, B&H Photo and Newegg are generally pretty good, and there are still niche sites within that depending on what you're looking for (e.g. keyboards and mice have multiple high quality vendors). At the very least, it's worth using the "shopping" feature on your search engine (I use DuckDuckGo and check their "shopping" tab to get a feel for which vendors sell a given thing).

I've been buying a ton of stuff recently on eBay because I usually don't mind buying used if it's something more expensive (i.e. cell phone, console games, etc), just be aware that they have different standards than other retailers (e.g. if it's a refurb phone, you could get an aftermarket screen). But as long as you read the listing carefully, it's usually all spelled out.

[-] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 112 points 7 hours ago

I put some of the blame on retailers as well. Retail stores just don't want to carry inventory anymore, especially tech-focused ones with many of those just turning into glorified showrooms. I don't know how many times I've heard some version of: "Sorry, we don't have that in stock but we can bring it in for you."

We needed a short length of garden hose here for the house so I went to two hardware stores and one garden centre looking for one. Nothing. Not even in their dedicated gardening sections. I had to order it off Amazon. A goddamn garden hose.

Amazon has done a lot of damage for sure but retail is suffering from several self-inflicted wounds too. Home Depot, for example, is a multi-billion dollar corporation and even they have a weaker retail presence now. That's not Amazon's fault.

[-] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago
[-] pooperNickel@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

Looks like you've been hard at work blocking since people actually agree with you now

[-] JordanZ@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Mean while my Best Buy has so much crap in the aisles that you can’t pass a person without having to do the weird turn side ways shuffle. Home Depot isn’t much better. Trying to push a lumber carts around is a joke now. So much crap stuck in the middle of the aisles or at the end of the aisles. So I don’t think it’s a lack of inventory but a variety of inventory.

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 7 points 4 hours ago

They don’t want to carry inventory because Amazon doesn’t. The prices are higher because vendors are contractually obligated to sell on Amazon at their lowest price. So retailers, with a need to have a physical presence and having to buy at more or less the same price a product is available for on Amazon, get fucked. Their only hope is vendors who make a “different” product to sell at other outlets. An example of what I mean is, Poppi soda sells for $20/12 pack on Amazon. They sell a 15 pack at Costco for the same price. Because it’s a “different” product they are not in breach of contract.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Check your local mom and pop hardware store if you have one! I had to get a feeder hose this summer as well, and the only place I found it was a local family owned hardware store.

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[-] 667@lemmy.radio 11 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

When you absolutely need something to work presicely once between the day you buy it and the day you’re late for jury duty.

[-] wrekone@lemmyf.uk 2 points 3 hours ago

I've gotten some surprisingly long lasting gems there, but you can never be sure. Like you said, I've also gotten a number "single use" tools from Harbor Freight. Overall though, it's almost always been worth it.

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[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 42 points 7 hours ago

Here in Germany there are still plenty of independent online retailers and they're competitive with Amazon. I always try to avoid buying from Amazon and for tech products that's usually no problem.

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[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 24 points 6 hours ago

Amazon has a healthcare company now too...

...and they own twitch.

[-] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 46 points 6 hours ago

Wait til you find out about AWS and how half the internet runs on it.

[-] Grippler@feddit.dk 14 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I tried blocking anything Amazon in my adguard home instance...holy shit that broke a lot of sites, I had to unblock it to have functional internet.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 19 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

There are plenty of things to complain about with Amazon but, in my opinion, this ain't it.

I went back to Amazon, which I was trying to avoid, and saw the price 25 to 40% lower than anywhere

Amazon typically has prices the same as any other retail store. Your experience is an exception. You can't make a huge accusation like that based on a single product.

Not even Best buy has even close to the amount of inventory or variety, even when you're shopping online....

You can't compare a local brick and mortar store to Amazon. A vast array of hundreds of giant warehouses is never going to have the same variety of products as a handful of retail stores.

In addition, they leverage their warehouses to decrease shipping costs and local emissions. Which do you think costs more and causes more carbon emissions, a hundred people in old giant SUV beaters driving to and from a B&M location to shop for a single product or a single (often electric) delivery vehicle delivering a vast array of products to a hundred locations and are probably going to drive right by your house whether you order something or not?

Also Walgreens carries lots of different printing services and supplies and are pretty ubiquitous in large cities, so maybe give them a try.

[-] LilB0kChoy@lemm.ee 6 points 5 hours ago

I want to show some love to B&H Photo. They’re one of my go to’s specifically for tech stuff.

I feel like people give up on in store if they can’t find it at a big box store and go to the online equivalent of a big box store (Amazon).

Anybody who puts in a little effort should be able to find a specialty store either in person or online.

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