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[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 200 points 1 week ago
[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

This sounded plausible until she said they poured bleach on the ground. Then it had the smell of bullshit.

[-] Iapar@feddit.org 17 points 1 week ago

People drink bleach to avoid a life saving vaccine.

In this parody of a world we live in I say it is not so far fetched someone would do this.

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[-] ThePantser@lemmy.world 109 points 1 week ago

Same comments I got when I said I was planting apple trees in my front yard. Those are for the public, the ones in my back yard are for me.

[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 42 points 1 week ago

Everyone in my street is selling their apples on the street. Every house has a little basket and a sign "1 kilo 1 euro" or something like that. Some are even giving them away for free. I gave mine away in bulk, so I haven't got anything to pu in the street.

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[-] frezik@midwest.social 81 points 1 week ago

"‘When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the foreigner. I am the Lord your God." - Leviticus 19:9, 10

[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

Leviticus Its in the pick and choose portion of the king james opinion of the bible.

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[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago

Just a bafflingly dumb response to such an obviously great thing to do.

[-] dessimbelackis@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

This is the result of a century of propaganda and destruction of public spaces

[-] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago

You just know some asshole would pick all the trees clean and go sell the fruit

[-] dance_ninja@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago

Plant enough so they can't make a profit.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 49 points 1 week ago

No offense to you personally, but I hate this kind of premature defeatism. Like... yeah, some people are jerks and try to take advantage of things. Put rules in place and enforce them as much as the people in charge care to.

I know it's strawmanning to bring this up, but people use the same argument to say "We shouldn't have food stamps for hungry kids or welfare for needy families or subsidized housing for people without homes because people will abuse it. Yeah. Some people will, and others will suffer because of their greed. But so many more people will continue to suffer if we don't even try because we are too scared of The Undeserving boogeyman. Not every tree will be taken advantage of, and as the sense of outreach and community grows, abuse of it will fall and it will be worth it. I guarantee it...

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[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 23 points 1 week ago

Visit Portland. Lots of neighborhoods grow fruit trees.

And the fruit falls to the ground.

Nobody is going around selling them.

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[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 50 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I remember when I was young I got ticketed for trespassing on public property. I was so offended. Yet that’s the society we live in. Public resources aren’t for use by the public, they are for use by the small fraction of the public who control them.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

We're gonna need the detail. The county jail is public property, but you can't waltz in and say hi to the inmates.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It was for staying too late in a public park. It was meant to be closed after dark. I overstayed by like an hour.

I think there’s a big difference between breaking and entering and trespassing. Going into a restricted area is more like the latter. Although there’s the whole ethics of a prison to consider as well but I don’t want to get into that.

But yes there may be a small number of situations where public access should be forbidden but right now that’s a minority of all of the completely unnecessary restrictions that exist.

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[-] sketelon@eviltoast.org 37 points 1 week ago

I can't recall the source, but I remember hearing that the Amazon, generations ago, was farmed. The trees aren't distributed naturally, or something like that, we see signs of intentional crop management. However, it was done in a symbiotic way with nature so that it almost looks natural, until you look closer. With lots of fruit trees and food sources so that food was an abundant free resource.

Wish I could remember the source for this, sounds like heaven on earth, working with nature is all we need to rediscover freedom.

[-] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 29 points 1 week ago

You're thinking about indigenous groups that farmed parts of the Amazon. You want a rabbit hole? Google Terra preta. See you in a few years ;)

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[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago

Those same people walk on sidewalks without going through the toll booths!

(for US people, sidewalks are designated areas on the side of the road especially for pedestrians, or as some people say, wasted space)

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[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 34 points 1 week ago

"God created everything for billionaires to profit from!" Duh!

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

In my city, olive trees thrive like mad. I could probably start a business selling a few tons of brined and jarred olives a year entirely on free produce.

Lemons, too. I could go for a 15 minute walk in any random neighbourhood and come back with 10 pounds of lemons.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 week ago

Lemon stealing whore.

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[-] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 28 points 1 week ago

The town I grew up in had several public apple trees. I have fond memories of climbing the trees with my friends to get apples.

Maintenance is a thing, though. If not properly maintained, the apples will often grow too densely, yielding only small and sour apples. I would never consider the apples in my home town to be filling food - at best it would be a small snack. It would require a lot of labour to maintain a tree to the point where it would feed people in need.

[-] DillyDaily@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Public trees already have a maintenance schedule and budget, public fruit trees don't need to be about filling hungry people, they're just as much about finding small moments of joy in your community.

Also trees that bear fruit usually don't produce as much pollen in spring so it would cut down on hayfever, they do drop more seed which can be messier if planted along sidewalks. That's the main reason decorative public trees are often male, 40 years ago civic planners decided pollen was easier to deal with than seed drop.

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[-] spicystraw@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

Don't fruit trees need extra care and pruning, and the fruit that falls to the ground is also kind of a mess to clean up. Sturdy trees are good in the city, since they are low upkeep and very good for air quality and shade. I am however a huge fan of vertical gardens with edible plants. Imagine a whole wall with mint growing on it, that would be wicked!

[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If you want to maximize production, yeah, you cut at certain times of the year to force the trees to put as much energy into the fruit as possible. But if you just leave them outside they will fruit as long as they are sufficiently watered and have enough room to grow (and it's not insanely stressed from a drought or heat wave, etc). There might not be as many fruits, and they might be smaller, but it will produce. But ideally you always want to choose fruit or nut trees that are native to your region (or at least your agricultural zone) so that they require less upkeep in general.

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[-] Zementid@feddit.nl 24 points 1 week ago

My parents are happy when people pick fruits from the trees at the street. When they fall they rot no one except the wasps and insects have something from it.

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[-] NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 23 points 1 week ago

Lol lmao. The right to the fruit of something is literally one of the kinds of Roman property law that informs European ideas of property rights.

Fruit trees are mostly just expensive to grow vs other kinds and can be unappealing if fruit spoils or attracts other animals. E.g. you probably wouldn't want to play on the grass underneath an orange tree on all the little bits of orange after possums have at it.

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[-] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 22 points 1 week ago

I've been told that this is a no-go for city planners because the sheer quantity of fallen fruit can be a walking hazard, and no one wants the legal liability. What it comes down to is that "free" fruit trees would require additional ongoing maintenance costs. Nothing nefarious, just logistical issues.

[-] BaldManGoomba@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago

Sounds like job creation to me

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

You mean like shoveling sidewalks in the winter?

Oh no.

The horror.

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[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago

I actually really appreciate the rational response to this that people have had about waste fruit, the rotting, and the food chain that follows the fallen fruit.

I had wanted to plant a few fruit trees in my front yard and allow neighbors to just take fruit off of it. Lots of people walk up my 0.5mi dead-end road.

But then I remembered what every PYO farm is like...tons of rotting fruits sitting at the bottom of all of them. And any apple someone picks that isn't 100% perfect gets tossed in the pile.

That's a lot of maintenance. Totally doable for an individual or small group to maintain a small patch. Gets really difficult to scale up.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 17 points 1 week ago

These are the same people that run restaurants that will throw away perfectly good food instead of donating it and then keep their trash bins locked.

[-] General_Shenanigans@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I used to live in a peaceful, quiet suburb. Eventually, a Panera appeared, as one does. At the end of each day, the Panera had a load of bread that was uneaten and un-purchased. The employees decided that the right thing to do was to give away the uneaten and un-purchased bread at the end of each day. I got some of it. Others did as well. It would be a waste otherwise! It would go into the dumpster, if nobody were to eat this delicious bread!

Those who were the most needy eventually got word of this free delicious bread. It began attracting ruffians. Travelers. Hobos, you know—homeless people. They traveled from the deeper parts of the city to seek this golden mana.

The locals didn’t approve of these dirty people migrating to our alcove and congregating about the back of the Panera every day. For some mere loaves of bread! It was depressing, and more importantly, it could affect our property values! What if they linger about and people think our city was one that not only catered to the lower people, but harbored them? And so, it was dealt with. The police helped to put a stop to it, bless their souls. We thank them for their service.

Now, the citizens of this peaceful city no longer have to view the sad visages of those who never learned how to play the game of our society. The excess bread may rot locked away in that dumpster, but it is the price we must pay for the cleanliness and uninterrupted peace we enjoy.

BIG /s. I typed this out so somebody may see how fucked-up this line of thinking is.

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 17 points 1 week ago

I mean cmon though - in a capitalist country someone would take ALL the fruit and then sell it to people. “It was public but then it became MINE and if you want it you need to enrich MY wealth with a piece of YOUR value”

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 22 points 1 week ago

Then I say we enforce the social contract of "don't be a fucking asshole", with force if needed.

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[-] coffee_with_cream@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

I put on a vest and plant clones of apple trees in public parks

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[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

We should put public roads in our city.

Why, so people can just trespass everywhere?

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Urban planning is tricky, some times nice ideas have super tricky executions. Planting fruit/food trees in public spaces also accounts for rodents and pests, and managing disease vectors. Was just reading about fruit bats and Marburg virus spread in Central Africa…, regardless, just something that needs to be done with planning and consideration https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/04/23/178603623/want-to-forage-in-your-city-theres-a-map-for-that

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