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[-] 0laura@lemmy.dbzer0.com 105 points 1 month ago

new physics dlc about to drop?? poggers

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

It ain't cheap but it's worth every penny

[-] chamaeleon@fedia.io 16 points 1 month ago

I assume the scientists got a sense of pride and accomplishment from this.

[-] EvilBit@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Announcing the Horace-Armour particle!

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Yeah but how much is it? Is it only for premium members?

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 57 points 1 month ago

I haven't even caught up with old physics, slow down, people.

irately:

physics is physics!!!

[-] OldManBOMBIN@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago
[-] macarthur_park@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Science 2: Electroweak Boogaloo

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I REALLY need to finally sit down and watch this damn movie.

[-] dditty@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Just a warning: the first Breakin' is waaaaaayyy better than Electric Boogaloo

[-] davidgro@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Huh.

I thought it started with the Pikachu thing. TIL.

Science journalism try to be accurate and non-clickbait mission impossible

[-] rah@feddit.uk 41 points 1 month ago

The number of kaon to pion and neutrino/antineutrino decays the team observed is higher than the 8.4 per 100 billion predicted by the Standard Model, but it's still within the uncertainty parameters.

So then how the fuck does that hint at new physics? Idiots.

[-] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 12 points 1 month ago

Whatever particle physicists are, idiots they’re not

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I think that was directed at the journalists coming up with clickbait, not the scientists.

[-] rah@feddit.uk 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

“One could not be a successful scientist without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of scientists, a goodly number of scientists are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.” ― James D. Watson, The Double Helix

[-] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago

There’s many things in which we shouldn’t take scientists at their word indeed, but in their own field there’s a good chance they have something useful to say

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[-] benignintervention@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

They demonstrated the event to five sigma certainty, which is significant, but it's within the uncertainty in the standard model. If they can demonstrate the same or similar things to greater exactness, it could guide research that changes the standard model

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[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

It's a HINT, not a certainty 😘

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[-] Artyom@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

The basic procedure at CERN is that in order to be certain about something that's super random is to conduct the experiment trillions of times until you get a couple thousand events and you get to beat down your error. If they startseeing something, it'll still take them a couple of years of data to prove it past their uncertainty requirements.

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[-] AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 month ago

So the Sophons have finally arrived.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 1 month ago

I tried reading, then simply skimming, but this is over my head and I didn’t think I could get through it comfortably. I was hoping for a paragraph that summed up a simple explanation, but if there was one, it was further in than I got. Can anyone summarize for dummies what this means for our understanding of physics?

[-] cynar@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There's a particular particle, the kaon, which can be created. This particle is highly unstable, and so, decays rapidly into other particles. Ever so often, it doesn't decay down the normal route but instead decays into a pion. This is extremely rare (6 in a billion).

In physics, we have what's called the "standard model". It's our best guess as to how physics works at the fundamental level. It's incomplete, however, with multiple slight variations. This decay pathway is interesting because it is quite sensitive to differences between these models. By measuring the energy and ratio of the resulting mess, we can disguard some variants of the model (their predicted energy is too high or too low).

By using a large number of little measurements, like this, scientists can home in on the most accurate "standard model" variant. This, in turn, informs work on a deeper understanding of physics.

Basically, a decade's work to put a single new point onto a graph. A point that only theoretical physicists care about, and might, or might not be useful down the line. Welcome to modern physics.

[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

To be fair those single points are important, they've led to things like nuclear energy and modern computers... come to think of it a lot of our modern technology is rather like the physics equivelent of exploiting an extreme edge case in a game physics engine.

[-] cynar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I fully agree. It's more the frustration that it now takes so much time and resources to make even a tiny bit of headway.

My favourite example of why pure research is useful, however, is the laser. When it was invented, they had no clue what it could be useful for. It was the classic "solution looking for a problem". It was a fun quirk of quantum mechanics that allowed thek to function. Now, they are critical in multiple areas, but for business and research.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 month ago

Thanks for this detailed explainer!

[-] PetteriSkaffari@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

It's just the creation of particles with an ultra-short lifespan, which then decay into other particles. Only there are more of this type than expected, but still within the tolerance of what the theory predicts. Additional tests are needed to say anything conclusive. That's just what they normally like to do at CERN, they're quite good at it. They also started the world wide web, back in the day.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 month ago
[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Are we heading toward spicy physics or extra crispy physics?

[-] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 10 points 1 month ago

D E E P - F R I E D

[-] ben_dover@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago
[-] lohky@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago
[-] Nougat@fedia.io 16 points 1 month ago

"Ultra-rare" means

The number of kaon to pion and neutrino/antineutrino decays the team observed is higher than the 8.4 per 100 billion predicted by the Standard Model, but it's still within the uncertainty parameters.

[-] criticon@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Is this a physics 2.0 kind of thing? Or just a small patch?

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

It's nothing that would upend the Standard Model, but would define some new interactions and processes.

[-] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 month ago

Phew, I feared I had to learn new physics. I already struggled with the old one.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

CERN confirms ultra-rare particle transformation.

Three Body Problem:
Scientists commit suicide.

IRL:
Scientists get super stoked about "new physics".

[-] Skua@kbin.earth 9 points 1 month ago

Wasn't the whole thing about the scientists in the Three Body Problem that they recognised that their work was being sabotaged by something enormously more powerful?

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

No. The scientists do not figure out that things are being meddled with until much later. The scientist suicides, especially the daughter of the woman who invites the aliens, committed suicide because everything they knew about physics had been "proven incorrect". It was all a lie, but they didn't know that.

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[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

will this discovery make it easier for me to get isekai'd into another world where I'm the hero that's going to save the world with my big d magic skillz?

[-] Emmie@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Do these things actually exist or are they the best matching set of equations

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Well they observed them, so........yeah, they exist.

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